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Thread: PDC Sensors on a non PDC bumper?

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    PDC Sensors on a non PDC bumper?

    my 750il bumpers have pdc, i have the trims intact that hold the sensors.
    I was wondering if i will be able to switch the sensors to the bumper by just swapping the trims?

    I found a parts car. I will be bringing it home tomorrow or day after. the timing guides failed.

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    Data for vehicle identification number: WBAGH8343YDP11360
    Model description: 740IL
    Market: USA
    Type: GH83
    E-Code: E38 (2)
    Chassis: Limousine
    Steering: links
    Doors: 4
    Engine: M62/TU - 4,40l (210kW)
    Drive: Heckantrieb
    Transmission: automatisch
    Body Color: Titansilber Metallic (354)
    Upholstery: Standardleder/schwarz (N6SW)
    Production date: 19.07.1999
    Assembled in: Dingolfing








    Code Serienausstattung Standard Equipment
    S210A Dynamische-Stabilitäts-Control Dynamic stability control
    S216A Servolenkung-Servotronic HYDRO STEERING-SERVOTRONIC
    S245A Lenksäulenverstellung elektrisch Steering wheel column adjustment,electr.
    S302A Alarmanlage Alarm system
    S319A Integrierte Universal-Fernbedienung Integrated universal remote control
    S431A Innenspiegel automatisch abblendend Interior mirror with automatic-dip
    S441A Raucherpaket Smoker package
    S473A Armlehne vorne Armrest front
    S645A BMW US Radio BMW US Radio
    S845A Akustische Gurtwarnung Acoustic belt warning
    S850A Zusätzl. Tankfüllung Export Additional Export tank filling
    S853A Sprachversion englisch Language version English
    S876A Funkfrequenz 315 MHz Radio frequency 315 MHz
    S992A Steuerung Kennzeichenbefestigung Control of number-plate attachment

    Code Sonderausstattung Optional Equipment
    S304A BMW LM Rad Ellipsoidstyling 60 BMW light alloy wheel, ellips. styl. 60
    S358A Klimakomfort-Frontscheibe Climate comfort windscreen
    S403A Glasdach elektrisch Glass roof, electrical
    S438A Edelholzausführung Fine wood trim
    S456A Komfortsitz mit Memory Comfort seat with memory
    S494A Sitzheizung Fahrer/Beifahrer Seat heating driver/passenger
    S502A Scheinwerferreinigungsanlage Headlight cleaning system
    S521A Regensensor Rain sensor
    S522A Xenon-Licht Xenon Light
    S609A Navigationssystem Professional Navigation system Professional
    S640A Vorbereitung Telefoneinbau universal Preparation f tel.installation universal
    S672A CD-Wechsler 6-fach CD changer for 6 CDs
    S677A HiFi System Professional DSP HiFi System Professional DSP
    S818A Batteriehauptschalter Battery master switch
    S925A Versandschutzpaket Transport protection package

    Code Information
    S459A Sitzverstellung elektrisch mit Memory Seat adjuster, electric, with memory
    S694A Vorbereitung BMW 6 CD Wechsler Provisions for BMW 6 CD changer
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    Yes, the holes should be pre-cut on all bumpers.
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    I'm confused...your 750 has the wiring but no sensors and trim installed? If the wiring is there, then yeah it'll swap right over. The sensor design changed around 98/99, but your 750 is facelift so they should work. The older sensors are 2 pin sensors, the newer ones are 3 pin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer2086 View Post
    I'm confused...your 750 has the wiring but no sensors and trim installed? If the wiring is there, then yeah it'll swap right over. The sensor design changed around 98/99, but your 750 is facelift so they should work. The older sensors are 2 pin sensors, the newer ones are 3 pin.
    Yes, it took me several minutes to figure out what he meant, but I think I finally got it.
    I think he wants to swap the good bumper from the parts car onto his 750 with PDC, and asking if the PDC trim/sensors will fit that bumper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer2086 View Post
    I'm confused...your 750 has the wiring but no sensors and trim installed? If the wiring is there, then yeah it'll swap right over. The sensor design changed around 98/99, but your 750 is facelift so they should work. The older sensors are 2 pin sensors, the newer ones are 3 pin.
    no, my 750 has PDC< my dad reversed the car on a chunk of ice and my bumper cracked.
    front bumper had a small crack too. so i figured id change both, for the price of both bumpers, i can get the parts car. I will take the bumpers and the CD changer. i will part out the rest, maybe try to do the guides on the engine. it looked very clean when i went to see it a couple hours ago. it even had the OBDII wood trim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psjr View Post
    Yes, it took me several minutes to figure out what he meant, but I think I finally got it.
    I think he wants to swap the good bumper from the parts car onto his 750 with PDC, and asking if the PDC trim/sensors will fit that bumper.
    yes thats correct.

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    the wheels look fishy to me, i cudnt find em on the BMW wheel style catalog. can anyone confirm ,if its aftermarket?
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    Yes, your PDC sesors should fit just fine in the non pdc bumper. The bumpers are all the same, the center trim strips where the pdc sensors are located will have to be swapped over, thats about it. I'm in the middle of doing the same thing. swapping 740il non PDC bumpers onto my 98 750il with PDC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mboor View Post
    Yes, your PDC sesors should fit just fine in the non pdc bumper. The bumpers are all the same, the center trim strips where the pdc sensors are located will have to be swapped over, thats about it. I'm in the middle of doing the same thing. swapping 740il non PDC bumpers onto my 98 750il with PDC.
    i guess so. also is it possible to swap door skins? mine has double pane glass, the parts car probably has a single pane.
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    If you mean what I think you mean (again), the main metal part of the doors is the same for all E38s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psjr View Post
    If you mean what I think you mean (again), the main metal part of the doors is the same for all E38s.
    thank you. yes thats what i meant.

    is it possible i can swap the door metal parts? mine had some rust.
    Last edited by rahee006; 03-04-2015 at 08:14 PM.
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    Seeing as this was 4 years ago and no questions, probably well. The trim is interchangeable from bumper to bumper.
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    Will you be willing to sell me some of the parts of the PDC system like the three wiring looms, the rear gong and the support for the PDC controller in the trunk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimoreno View Post
    Will you be willing to sell me some of the parts of the PDC system like the three wiring looms, the rear gong and the support for the PDC controller in the trunk?
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    LOL, I didn't notice the original thread was 4 years old!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimoreno View Post
    LOL, I didn't notice the original thread was 4 years old! :-)
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