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    Quote Originally Posted by AquilaBMW View Post
    Yup! That is a known issue with the X5 sadly. Glad to hear it wasn't more serious.
    I'm just glad it happened so close to home and not on a long road trip!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    Good news! It turned out to be the front driveshaft— the stock X5 ones are slightly too short so they slip out and the splines strip, which is exactly what happened to mine. It slipped out and threw grease everywhere haha.





    I tried to run the X5 without the front driveshaft, thinking that I could just have it as RWD. Apparently that's not how the transfer case works, so the X5 didn't move at all. There are no more grinding noises when it's in gear though, so the front driveshaft was definitely the cause of the problem. I'm going to buy a new front driveshaft— there are modified ones that are about half an inch longer which fixes the issue of the driveshaft being too short and slipping out.

    There are no codes or check engine lights otherwise, I checked with PA Soft and INPA. The transmission and engine seem a-okay, so it looks like I may have dodged a bullet here.
    I think you just need to pull the fuse for the transfer case to run it in RWD mode, but don't you need to seal up the front diff to do that?

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    I was actually thinking that maybe something must have gone wrong between the transfer case and the front diff and axles. Glad it was just an axle that decided to quit playing games. Sounds like an easy and a cheap fix ... I hope.



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    Re RWD... Maybe there's some early X cars where it will work but usually at best there's complications, at worst it doesn't work. On Audis they used to weld the center diff's up to make it work, but that sometimes leads to blowing up other stuff that wasn't meant to carry all the torque, like rear diffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackknight530i View Post
    I think you just need to pull the fuse for the transfer case to run it in RWD mode, but don't you need to seal up the front diff to do that?
    You're thinking of the facelift (2004+) E53 X5's with the electronic transfer cases. Those have a variable front-rear split and can be tricked into being RWD only. The older X5's like mine have a fixed transfer case that's 60/40 rear/front full time without any switching. That's probably why my little trick didn't work.

    Quote Originally Posted by auaq View Post
    I was actually thinking that maybe something must have gone wrong between the transfer case and the front diff and axles. Glad it was just an axle that decided to quit playing games. Sounds like an easy and a cheap fix ... I hope.
    It was a driveshaft, not an axle haha. It is a relatively cheap fix with new driveshafts being generally under $300. It's a much simpler driveshaft than the rear one— it's just one piece. The splines go into the transfer case and it connects to the front differential with a flex disc. Super simple. I'm just happy about how little labor went into removing the driveshaft, I only needed to remove the lower reinforcement plate. Normally when replacing a driveshaft there are heat shields and exhausts to drop (like on the E39).

    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    Re RWD... Maybe there's some early X cars where it will work but usually at best there's complications, at worst it doesn't work. On Audis they used to weld the center diff's up to make it work, but that sometimes leads to blowing up other stuff that wasn't meant to carry all the torque, like rear diffs.
    It's actually the other way around— the newer (2004+) X5's have a variable transfer case that can electronically distribute power to whichever wheels need it, so there are people who have tricked it into being RWD-only. The older X5's have a mechanical transfer case with a fixed ratio that is full time AWD without any switching or whatnot.
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    Thats great news Danny! Would be sad to see a 4.6is parted. Those things are becoming unicorn blood...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    It's actually the other way around— the newer (2004+) X5's have a variable transfer case that can electronically distribute power to whichever wheels need it, so there are people who have tricked it into being RWD-only. The older X5's have a mechanical transfer case with a fixed ratio that is full time AWD without any switching or whatnot.
    Yeah OK then you'd need to do the thing the Audi whackos do - weld the F-fer case diff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplecty View Post
    Thats great news Danny! Would be sad to see a 4.6is parted. Those things are becoming unicorn blood...
    Yeah, the 4.6is isn't very common anymore, thanks to all the vultures that parted them out for their valuable 4.6 engines. Mine has 214k miles and I'd love to see it go further, so hopefully a new driveshaft fixes everything

    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    Yeah OK then you'd need to do the thing the Audi whackos do - weld the F-fer case diff.
    Wait a second. Audis are FWD-biased, so those whackos are actually trying to make their cars FWD? What a bunch of misguided fools. Might as well buy a Honda at that point. Or are they trying to do RWD?
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    Totes completely wrong Danny. The true Quattro's are true AWD. Yes some of the later low-end VW golf / polo based cars (I.e. A3 or lower) are more of a "FWD" based system using Haldex center diffs like a Volvo or VW, but the real Quattro cars have been and continue to be legit all heavy metal parts AWD systems. In old days it was a (fairly bulletproof) Audi proprietary tranny including (usually a Torsen) center diff, sending power back to a rear diff by a conventional driveshaft. The tranny sits longitudinally behind the motor after a clutch just like any conventional RWD setup.

    Here's what it would look like.


    You can open up the center diff and weld it solid.



    Some guys do it for RWD conversion but others do it for ice or rally type builds where car stays AWD.

    Later cars use ZF AWD trannies w front axles, so for instance a 5HP24A was used often in early aughts. Since the 5HP24 is a RWD tranny obv - using the AWD modified version of that demonstrates it's nothing like a "FWD based" setup, its like that Audi tranny above....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    Yeah, the 4.6is isn't very common anymore, thanks to all the vultures that parted them out for their valuable 4.6 engines. Mine has 214k miles and I'd love to see it go further, so hopefully a new driveshaft fixes everything



    Wait a second. Audis are FWD-biased, so those whackos are actually trying to make their cars FWD? What a bunch of misguided fools. Might as well buy a Honda at that point. Or are they trying to do RWD?
    Audi only recently committed suicide with their new Allroad. 40\60 (to the rear) split became the norm a while back, but before it was proper 50\50.


    When the angle gear (Haldex) on my S60R breaks, I'm pulling the driveshaft out completely. There's nothing wrong with a FWD European car, plenty of Audis (most of which happen to be better with Quattro) the early GTI, and even the Corrado comes to mind.
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    Interesting, I was not aware of that. Then again, my knowledge of Audi is pretty minimal, all I know is that the newer ones are terrible to work on and require removing the whole front clip for most engine work. I just assumed that VW = FWD biased, since pretty much all of VW's cars at this point are FWD.
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    Yeah you need an insiders guide to keep track of which cars are what kind of tech w/ VW/Audi.

    Old VW Quantums were really Audi Quattro drivetrains, but most VW 4Motion cars are FWD/Haldex setups as are the Audi A3 and TT Quattros, etc. But then most of the core models retain "true" Audi-engineered AWD systems. Etc.

    When it dumps snow I miss having one, they are truly a blast to drive when the roads are slippyslidey. Bit front heavy and understeering on real dry conditions because that tranny setup as you can imagine requires sticking the longitudinal engine out the front, but you kind of make up for that with 4-wheel oversteer. The good turbo motors are excellent too and a load of fun and have loads of tuning potential. And like iron block BMW's are hella bulletproof internally until you get really insane about boosting them.

    Re: the front clip off stuff - there's a few misunderstandings about that too.

    First on many of those cars for anything normal you don't actually have to take it all the way off. It's designed to unbolt and pull out a bit without everything being removed and give you front end access. Second, it's not the big deal it sounds like. It's actually quite easy, at least on the models I've done it on... used to take me no time at all and made working on the front of motor stuff 1000x better. I WISH the E39 had something that was that easy to open up extra space! Third, that's not at all the real hassle factor to trash Audi for. The real things to take shots at them for are:

    ...The complex V8's w/ elaborate timing chain systems on the back of the motor and a complex accessory drive that goes through the motor, and require thousands of dollars just in parts to service. Makes doing an M62TU guide job look like getting free beejayz from supermodels while sitting on the beach sipping margaritas. That setup and motor is a disaster, sadly so since it's a great driver when it runs well.

    ...To a lesser degree the earlier twin-turbo cars where the motor has to come out to service the turbos. That's where the front-clip coming off entirely does come in, but again that's not the 'bad' part about it, even taking the front off ("Service Position") entirely is pretty easy because again its designed to be so... The bad part on those is the full motor pull just to rebuild turbos. And honestly even that's not that bad, I know B5 / C5 guys who think about that like YOU would think about doing a guide job... "Sure a bit of work but no big deal and really an easy weekend job, I've done 5 this year..."
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    Oh yeah, the V8's with the insane timing chains are a nightmare. It's like the engineers who designed that engine were huge fans of Rube Goldberg.

    I just don't like Audi's approach to engines, they've generally had smaller engines with boost (aside from the handful of V8's they've done). I prefer bigger naturally aspirated engines in general (I know BMW isn't N/A anymore, but I don't mess with newer BMWs).

    I also don't like that Audis are just glorified VWs for the most part nowadays. Tons of shared parts and a lot of them look really similar too. If I bought one new for like $40k I'd be mad that some peasant with a $20k VW has a car that looks nearly the same. That's why I prefer BMW and Mercedes, because they don't have crappy lower tier brands to dilute their image. It's a pretty dumb reason but it matters to me— that's also why I'd never buy a Lexus or a Lamborghini, because a Lexus is a Toyota and a Lamborghini is a glorified Audi which is a glorified VW (for the last 10 years at least).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    Oh yeah, the V8's with the insane timing chains are a nightmare. It's like the engineers who designed that engine were huge fans of Rube Goldberg.

    I just don't like Audi's approach to engines, they've generally had smaller engines with boost (aside from the handful of V8's they've done). I prefer bigger naturally aspirated engines in general (I know BMW isn't N/A anymore, but I don't mess with newer BMWs).

    I also don't like that Audis are just glorified VWs for the most part nowadays. Tons of shared parts and a lot of them look really similar too. If I bought one new for like $40k I'd be mad that some peasant with a $20k VW has a car that looks nearly the same. That's why I prefer BMW and Mercedes, because they don't have crappy lower tier brands to dilute their image. It's a pretty dumb reason but it matters to me— that's also why I'd never buy a Lexus or a Lamborghini, because a Lexus is a Toyota and a Lamborghini is a glorified Audi which is a glorified VW (for the last 10 years at least).
    Are you high? Lamborghini's are not glorified Audis. I know that for sure, cause I have driven many Lamborghini's and audis, including R8s.
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    M62 is an uncontrolled substance, and when abused can cause severe side effects. Do your drugs in moderation kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dk500 View Post
    Are you high? Lamborghini's are not glorified Audis. I know that for sure, cause I have driven many Lamborghini's and audis, including R8s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini

    Almighty wiki says VW/Audi owned. I'm pretty sure the R8 and some Lambo shared an engine at one point. Plus, didn't VW make a prototype Golf with the Lambo power plant just to say they can?

    Edit:
    Quick Google search has me corrected.
    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...h+lambo+engine

    It wasn't VW that made the Lambo-powered Golf, it was some performance shop. Still pretty cool either way.
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    BMW own mini. A 7 series isn't exactly a "glorified mini." I wouldn't call that sound logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtonBH View Post
    BMW own mini. A 7 series isn't exactly a "glorified mini." I wouldn't call that sound logic

    Sharing an engine is isn't the same as it being the same car

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    Definitely not the same engine in the 850CSi and McLaren F1. S70 and S70/2. S70/2 costs are astronomical in comparison. Makes a huge amount more power too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBAD530i View Post
    M62 is an uncontrolled substance, and when abused can cause severe side effects. Do your drugs in moderation kids.
    ^^^ gold.

    Yeah. There is some truth to what Danny says. The 1.8T and 2.0T engines they just started slamming in everything. The cheap Audis are very close to VWs although that said there's a lot that changes still (trust me i just can't buy cheap golf parts for the wifes car even though it's Golf based...) Def some brand/tech dilution.

    But poo pooing their turbo motors is pure ignorance and kinda elitist purist douchery. It's like Porsche guys Pooping on anything non-boxer, or Murican guys Pooping on anything not SBC/SBF, etc. of course you also poop on BMW I6's so at least you're consistent! Some of their V8's are great too, they aren't all like that. And you're impression that they don't "do" V8's is wrong too. The predecessor to the A8 was the "V8" then the A8 was defined by a torquey V8 drivetrain for several gens. Danny ironically I think you'd LOVE an Audi D2 A8 (or better S8). Those cars are extremely sweet.

    Read up on the original Quattro coupe car and it's racing history and then their TransAm and IMSA cars. Sick cool race cars built on factory based turbo engine designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackknight530i View Post
    Definitely not the same engine in the 850CSi and McLaren F1. S70 and S70/2. S70/2 costs are astronomical in comparison. Makes a huge amount more power too.

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    One is two S50B30s mashed together, the other one is a combo of all their SOHC drivetrains mashed together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackknight530i View Post
    Definitely not the same engine in the 850CSi and McLaren F1. S70 and S70/2. S70/2 costs are astronomical in comparison. Makes a huge amount more power too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtonBH View Post
    Shhh I know that but I was trying to make a point XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackknight530i View Post
    Definitely not the same engine in the 850CSi and McLaren F1. S70 and S70/2. S70/2 costs are astronomical in comparison. Makes a huge amount more power too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinca540i View Post
    Isn't S70 based off M70 and the S70/2 is based off of the S50?
    S70 shares more parts with an s50 than an M70. M70 is based of of the m20 or m30, can't remember

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtonBH View Post
    S70 shares more parts with an s50 than an M70. M70 is based of of the m20 or m30, can't remember

    Edit: I take that back, you're right

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    M70 is basically an M40 arranged like an M20, as much as people don't want to admit it.

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