350z went down

**2MCHM4U** · 03-27-2003, 04:50 PM

350z comes up on my ass fast and we come up to a light but he's behind me.Light changes,i go, he goes, i slow to let him up closer.He didnt try to line up or anything, he just punched it then i punched it.He had the beginning momentum but there was just too much M for him, I stayed about a car in front and was pulling slowly.

**M3Inline6** · 03-27-2003, 04:55 PM

Good way to put him in his place! Keep on racing

: With so many ignorant comments that a select few of the Z members make, I almost want to go on an M vs Z, search and destroy mission.

**slickav** · 03-27-2003, 05:00 PM

Havent heard of ANY 350Z's beating any ///M's yet. I dont think its gonna happen any time soon eother.

**MKit** · 03-27-2003, 06:45 PM

**mpol99** · 03-27-2003, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by slickav
Havent heard of ANY 350Z's beating any ///M's yet. I dont think its gonna happen any time soon eother.

Uh, u r on a BMW forum, no one is gonna post it if they lost....

350 search & destroy mission with an e46??? That's like me goin on a Civic search & destroy mission with my 350zzzz

a little different class of cars (performance wise), don't ya think?? now a stock e36 is an even match......

Marcin

**mpol99** · 03-27-2003, 08:06 PM

By the way, Good Kill

**SilverStreak** · 03-27-2003, 09:21 PM

Some of us honorable types post our losses and our wins....

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**dave is cool** · 03-27-2003, 10:05 PM

I posted my loss. Granted I have only raced twice, once I lost and once it was a tie.

As for the 350Z owners at 350zmotoring.com, some of them are COMPLETE DUMBASSES

**PBalla** · 03-29-2003, 10:30 PM

lol too much M for him

m3inline6 you are at Z forums more than u are here

**boss** · 03-30-2003, 02:02 AM

You beat a 350Z with just an intake on your car? The guy probably couldn't drive. A good driver with a good launch can run 13.8s with a 350Z.

A couple weeks ago I witnessed a guy run a 13.6@103 with just an intake on his 350Z. So most likely the guy you raced couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3. I've seen a couple these things run and have driven two.

287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

**NLR** · 03-30-2003, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by boss
You beat a 350Z with just an intake on your car? The guy probably couldn't drive. A good driver with a good launch can run 13.8s with a 350Z.

A couple weeks ago I witnessed a guy run a 13.6@103 with just an intake on his 350Z. So most likely the guy you raced couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3. I've seen a couple these things run and have driven two.

287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

Uhhh... The 350Z weighs in at a little over 3300 pounds.

**MaceOnFace** · 03-30-2003, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by NLR
Uhhh... The 350Z weighs in at a little over 3300 pounds.

3300 lbs is WITH driver..

**dave is cool** · 03-30-2003, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by NLR
Uhhh... The 350Z weighs in at a little over 3300 pounds.

**NLR** · 03-30-2003, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by MaceOnFace
3300 lbs is WITH driver..

NO! Over 3300 pounds WITHOUT driver! Do you people actually think that fat pig of a car weighs less than an e36 M3?

So, who really got OWNED here? Certainly wasn't me.

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**frayed** · 03-30-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by boss
287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

Last time I was checking out actual dyno's, they had been hitting 220-230 rwhp.

Their crank rating is optimistic. My car, when it was stock, put down 215.5 rwhp, but was rated at 240.

47 hp difference? I think not. Real world performance of the Z bears this out.

**1BMW2VWs** · 03-30-2003, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by boss
The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3.

287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

Oh boy, here we go again...

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Where's Sticky to dispel these silly statements?

**Aquineas** · 03-30-2003, 10:32 AM

Sorry bro, as a Nissan enthusiast, I have to disagree with you. Maybe if the Z has headers, it might be a closer race (assuming equal drivers). But an M46 M3 with an intake will soundly beat a manual Z that has intake/exhaust in straight line performance. I do suspect that you're gonna start seeing a lot of forced induction Zs around, and as that happens, things will get much more interesting.

Unfortunately for the Z, it's got a big red "bullseye" on it, and everyone from Dodge Neon's all the way up are going to wanna race it (I would imagine the story for BMW owners is similar).

In any case, the lightest Z I could find on Edmund's (www.edmunds.com) weighs in at 3188lbs.

I would expect that an E36 M3 and a Z would be a very close race however. I'd be surprised to see either side "walk" the other.

Originally posted by boss
You beat a 350Z with just an intake on your car? The guy probably couldn't drive. A good driver with a good launch can run 13.8s with a 350Z.

A couple weeks ago I witnessed a guy run a 13.6@103 with just an intake on his 350Z. So most likely the guy you raced couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3. I've seen a couple these things run and have driven two.

287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

**kapolani** · 03-30-2003, 10:55 AM

Has anyone seen any FI 350z's yet?

**mpol99** · 03-30-2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by frayed
Last time I was checking out actual dyno's, they had been hitting 220-230 rwhp.

Uuuuh, no

Norm 6 speed dyno range is mid 230s to lower 240s at the wheels. Where are you pulling those numbers?

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The lowest I have seen was around 225 for a ghey AUTOMATIC

**boss** · 03-30-2003, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by NLR
Uhhh... The 350Z weighs in at a little over 3300 pounds.

Nope, sorry. The manual itself states "3150(est) curb weight". Now give or take 50 lbs or so, the car weighs in around the E36 M3.

Given equally good drivers, a 6-spd 350Z and 5-spd E36 M3, the 350Z will beat one no problem. It's simple numbers. The car weighs the same, but has a hell of a lot more power, period. You can't argue the point to anything.

Whoever posts about beating a 350Z in an E36 M3 with just an intake or exhaust is pure BS or the guy in the 350Z couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The car traps 101-103 stock. There are no stock E36s that I know of that trap those speeds, sorry.

I'm a BMW owner and love my M3 and M5 with a passion. But you simply can't sit there and argue you can beat a car that weighs the same with more power.

**frayed** · 03-30-2003, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by mpol99
Uuuuh, no

Norm 6 speed dyno range is mid 230s to lower 240s at the wheels. Where are you pulling those numbers?:

The lowest I have seen was around 225 for a ghey AUTOMATIC

Last time I looked at the Z's performance on paper (before encountering them on track to really see what they are made of) was last fall.

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...highlight=dyno

Back then, the only car putting out decent power was from a mag review, at 244 rwhp on race gas. Most were were underperforming, notably so. Posts back then were like this one:

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...highlight=dyno

and

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...&threadid=6238

and

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...highlight=dyno

**MKit** · 03-30-2003, 10:37 PM

we will have to register for see the posts?

Originally posted by frayed
Last time I looked at the Z's performance on paper (before encountering them on track to really see what they are made of) was last fall.

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...highlight=dyno

Back then, the only car putting out decent power was from a mag review, at 244 rwhp on race gas. Most were were underperforming, notably so. Posts back then were like this one:

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...highlight=dyno

and

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...&threadid=6238

and

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...highlight=dyno

**frayed** · 03-30-2003, 10:56 PM

dunno. I guess the site is cookied on my machine.

Basically, last fall, the initial dynos were in the 220-230 range, with one aberration: Sport Compact Car logging in 244 rwhp on race gas.

Now that more have dyno'd, I guess folks are into the solid 230's now, and some 240's. Perhaps the motors just needed more mileage.

**almostki** · 03-30-2003, 11:08 PM

edmunds.com has over 3,200lbs for the performance and touring .

i've seen 350z's run 14.1 @ 100 at a track last weekend
e36 m3's run 13.9 @ 100 at a track last weekend as well

103? i doubt it.

these cars are similar, one wouldn't edge the other out if it was just the car, it just comes down to the driver.

nissan's 285hp is over-rated.

**NLR** · 03-30-2003, 11:48 PM

So, what makes the Track model so much heavier than the other versions? R&T has the Track advertised at 3310 pounds.

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