Bluetooth Technology

**Kevlar** · 07-17-2002, 11:01 AM

I was flipping through BMW Magazine yesterday and I caught an article that says BMW will be implementing Bluetooth technology in it's Fall lineup.

I did not have a chance to read the entire article to find out the specifics, but has anybody heard anything about this?

I think that would be pretty interesting... until somebody driving beside you managed to intercept your transmissions between your PDA and your car... but still...

**JasonJ75** · 07-17-2002, 11:29 AM

All the reviews I've read on Bluetooth have given it a resounding...

meh...

Technology just doesn't seem to quite be there yet....

**kapolani** · 07-17-2002, 01:17 PM

I'm waiting for the day where wireless connections will be the norm. At work i'm working on a couple of wireless apps that utilizes some of the same technology.

I agree. Right now there isn't a big push for it. Give it about 5 years and you'll see a big improvement...

**mpire** · 07-17-2002, 01:35 PM

Whats the deal with the new SL500? There is no key. You have a proximity card. When you are close to your car, your door unlocks when you touch the handle, and there is no key. You just hit the start button. When someone figures out how to put this in my car, I will be set. Pretty cool eh?

Mpire

**kapolani** · 07-17-2002, 01:45 PM

that would be cool until someone figures out how to emulate the transmitters and open everyones door!

**Cosmos95** · 07-17-2002, 02:01 PM

Couldn't one make the same argument for picking locks and hot wiring our cars?

Someone only needs to get a hold of a BMW Key and then reverse engineer the chip... and tada!

The problem I have with this kind of logic is keys, chips/cards, keyless remotes, etc are ALL crackable givien enough time. Nothing is uncrackable... The point of a lock is deter a thief from trying because it would take too much time and effort to go through all iterations of the lock or the remote codes.

Take my alarm for example... It has 2^66 differnet codes it cycles through each time in set and unset it. First a thief would have to rig something together to transmit the code at the right frequnecy then the right format for the code... then repeat for each possible code. Too much time and effort... Better off breaking a window

but then the alram goes off and the car won't start.

**umnitza** · 07-17-2002, 02:08 PM

I'd prefer if my finger and only my finger opened the car.
Or my voice.

**Stockman** · 07-17-2002, 02:12 PM

umnitza.. then I would just take a can of coke you drank.. put some tape on it.. remove your finger prints.. and use it to start your car

**kapolani** · 07-17-2002, 02:12 PM

I was in the military before I became a software engineer. I was SPECWAR. You would be amazed at the stuff they have.

I agree that it would take some work to crack some of the encryption schemes, but it would be doable. As technology advances - it advances for both sides (good guys and bad). So, a 128 bit encyption, will in time, be broken. You should see some of the numbers that the boxes at my work place crunch...

**Kevlar** · 07-17-2002, 02:25 PM

Yup... as soon as they invent a theft proof system, somebody goes and invents a better thief.

**332 RustBucket** · 07-17-2002, 02:47 PM

Ok lets see, you know knowine cares about car alarms going off. So what do they do now?? Just to the friggin car. pull it up on a bed and drive away!!!

**umnitza** · 07-17-2002, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by SS328
umnitza.. then I would just take a can of coke you drank.. put some tape on it.. remove your finger prints.. and use it to start your car

don't drink coke

OK...smarty, what if it's my hand, my voice, AND a password?
Sure you could break all of that, but unless my car was worth $$$$$$$$ why would you?

**HR-M3** · 07-17-2002, 03:25 PM

Did you guys hear about the Boomerang 2 Tracking gizmo? Anyone have it?

http://www.boomerangtracking.com/en/...logy/boom2.asp

**332 RustBucket** · 07-17-2002, 03:30 PM

ya, I am getting a GPS tracking alarm. If you do a search on the boards you will find info on others.

**kapolani** · 07-17-2002, 03:36 PM

The only thing I don't like about tracking devices is that - the ability to track you. I'm not a conpiracy theorist or anything like that. I just don't want to open the door for the government to have the ability to tell where you are at all times when driving.

**Kevlar** · 07-17-2002, 04:01 PM

The whole tracking deal...

A few months ago, a rental car company installed GPS tracking devices on some of their cars and in the fine print on their contract, they noted that if you were caught exceeding the speed limit while driving their rental car, they would automatically debit you account $100 for each occurence of you breaking the posted speed limit.

One guy rented a car, didn't read the fine print... and later that day he went to go put gas in the car found out his CC was declined. Turned out he had exceeded the speed limit 12 different times that day and the rental company automatically deducted $1200 from his account thanks to GPS tracking...

Oh the fun...

**jsp98m3** · 07-17-2002, 04:04 PM

I sure hope they have multiple backup batteries to keep all this electronics gadgetry from turning the car into a paperweight you can't get into.

**Kevlar** · 07-17-2002, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by jsp98m3
I sure hope they have multiple backup batteries to keep all this electronics gadgetry from turning the car into a paperweight you can't get into.

The 7series has two large batteries in the back of the car... one for engine functions and one for all the accessories in the car and now the alternators are water cooled because of the intense heat they generate.

**332 RustBucket** · 07-17-2002, 04:17 PM

If you are worried about tracking, GM and Ford have been doing it since 99. They just admitted that they installed those "black boxes" to see accident data and the such??

As far as the gov't tracking me. Oh well, shiet happens!!!

**332 RustBucket** · 07-17-2002, 04:18 PM

so much for Bluetooth as the topic.

**HR-M3** · 07-17-2002, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Kevlar
The whole tracking deal...

A few months ago, a rental car company installed GPS tracking devices on some of their cars and in the fine print on their contract, they noted that if you were caught exceeding the speed limit while driving their rental car, they would automatically debit you account $100 for each occurence of you breaking the posted speed limit.

One guy rented a car, didn't read the fine print... and later that day he went to go put gas in the car found out his CC was declined. Turned out he had exceeded the speed limit 12 different times that day and the rental company automatically deducted $1200 from his account thanks to GPS tracking...

Oh the fun...

Yes, later the courts told the rental company to STOP IT! So, this nonsense is not around any more.

**332 RustBucket** · 07-17-2002, 04:23 PM

HR-M3 - welcome to the boards!!

**HR-M3** · 07-17-2002, 04:40 PM

Danke!

**332 RustBucket** · 07-17-2002, 05:02 PM

Bitta (not spelled right)

**nftyM3** · 07-18-2002, 12:38 AM

1. i think the tracking devices they were talking about were to track a stolen car.
2. nothing is theft-proof. the ideal is to make is SO difficult that it is not worth it. IE you buy $100000 of computer junk and other shit to successfully steal a $50000 car. or even a $150000 car, but it takes months to crack it, etc.....

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