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    BMW.WilliamsF1 - What it takes - 2005 Stats and Facts

    http://www.bimmerforums.com/f1-2005/stats.php

    Enjoy... This page has been updated with all the latest info for 2005.
    Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by hundreds of engineers that get paid thousands of dollars for something you bought at Pep Boys because your buddy who doesn't have a job told you it was 'better'?!?

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    i really like this quote

    "Although Formula One regulations continue to restrict aerodynamic development, the FW27 generates enough downforce to drive upside down through the tunnel at Monaco."

    thats alot of force...

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    nice find. more than acceleration I think the most phenomenal thing about f1 cars are the brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkavan01
    i really like this quote

    "Although Formula One regulations continue to restrict aerodynamic development, the FW27 generates enough downforce to drive upside down through the tunnel at Monaco."

    thats alot of force...
    More amazing is the speed required to do this. I'm not sure about this year but I remember reading that Ferrari's f2004 from last year only needed 60mph to generate enough downforce to drive upside down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmani
    More amazing is the speed required to do this. I'm not sure about this year but I remember reading that Ferrari's f2004 from last year only needed 60mph to generate enough downforce to drive upside down.
    yikes! i wonder what kinda forces its putting out at 375 kph... thats gotta be a huge load on the suspension...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkavan01
    yikes! i wonder what kinda forces its putting out at 375 kph... thats gotta be a huge load on the suspension...
    Approximately 31583 lbs, or 15 times its own weight in standard sea-level air.
    I calculated that based on the 2090 lb quoted dry weight of the f2004, and I assumed that at 60mph the car makes exactly its wieght in downforce *it would need more to stay stuck to the road*, so the actual number is probably a bit higher.

    Of course, you have to understand that all setups are not equal, and that "upside-down at 60mph" thing is probably based on the highest-lift setup.
    With high lift comes high drag, so the car that can drive upside-down at 60mph is probably not capable of hitting a 230+mph top speed.

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    yep i've heard f1 cars can easily pull past 250mph except because of the hefty downforce requirements most top out around 215mph. New regulations for the upcoming year have prevented the cars from acheiving the same tremendous downforce or previous years in an effort to slow the cars and promote safety. Hence, we might see some much higher speeds on the straight-aways this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofast
    Approximately 31583 lbs, or 15 times its own weight in standard sea-level air.
    I calculated that based on the 2090 lb quoted dry weight of the f2004, and I assumed that at 60mph the car makes exactly its wieght in downforce *it would need more to stay stuck to the road*, so the actual number is probably a bit higher.

    Of course, you have to understand that all setups are not equal, and that "upside-down at 60mph" thing is probably based on the highest-lift setup.
    With high lift comes high drag, so the car that can drive upside-down at 60mph is probably not capable of hitting a 230+mph top speed.
    Isn't it only 600kg fully loaded? (600kg < 2090lb.)

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    Don't know if anyone saw it, but Charlie Rose (edit) interviewed Micheal Shumacher about F1 a few years ago on 60 minutes.

    Micheal sort of bashed NASCAR, saying there's no way he'd do it because it's a big step down from F1

    The point is, Micheal said if they set up the car to do a superspeedway oval circuit (gearing, aero, etc), they could have it doing over 300 mph!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CirrusSR22
    Don't know if anyone saw it, but Dan Rather (I think) interviewed Micheal Shumacher about F1 a few years ago on 60 minutes.

    Micheal sort of bashed NASCAR, saying there's no way he'd do it because it's a big step down from F1

    The point is, Micheal said if they set up the car to do a superspeedway oval circuit (gearing, aero, etc), they could have it doing over 300 mph!
    yea but nascar isn't using f1 style car... if f1's tried to race like they do in nascar you'd have those wheels popping off all over the place, a little high speed rub between two f1's can be devasting... meanwhile you got nascars rubbing each other at 190 in a turn lap after lap...

    not that i'm a huge nascar fan, i just respect them for their style of racing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammdy
    Isn't it only 600kg fully loaded? (600kg < 2090lb.)
    Damn, you're right. I was looking at the wrong set of stats.

    Based on 600kg (1332 lbs)
    31582 lbs at 375kph...still the same ratio (15 times), because dynamic pressure stays the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tkavan01
    yea but nascar isn't using f1 style car... if f1's tried to race like they do in nascar you'd have those wheels popping off all over the place, a little high speed rub between two f1's can be devasting... meanwhile you got nascars rubbing each other at 190 in a turn lap after lap...
    Duh, I know that, I was just pointing out how amazing it is that they could sustain over 300 mph.

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    i don't think they ever proved that the F1's could actually hit 300mph, even with proper gearing and such there are still aero and hp limits that would slow them down... also getting up around that speed will the tires be able to hold together? i'm sure they could but what is the upper speed rating on them?

    still its crazy fast like you said

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    i found the article:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in508224.shtml

    "He earns this by racing the Formula One cars, which are designed a bit like jet airplanes, around the track at speeds of more than 200 miles per hour.

    “If you would go for maximum speed, you would probably go beyond 500 if you wanted,” Schumacher tells Rose.
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    500!? When I watched it I'm pretty sure he said 300 not 500.

    Unless he means 500 KPH (310mph)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CirrusSR22
    Don't know if anyone saw it, but Charlie Rose (edit) interviewed Micheal Shumacher about F1 a few years ago on 60 minutes.

    Micheal sort of bashed NASCAR, saying there's no way he'd do it because it's a big step down from F1 :
    I remember that interview...that wasn't exactly what he said. He said he would never drive NASCAR because it was "too dangerous". Obviously it would be a big step down...but that is common knowledge.

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    I thought it was NASCAR as well (oops), but the quote from the interview posted above is:

    One is America’s premier auto race, the Indianapolis 500. “It's a step down from Formula One,” he tells Rose. "And second, it's too dangerous.”

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    A Formula One car can accelerate from standstill to 200 km/h and back again in under seven seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmani
    nice find. more than acceleration I think the most phenomenal thing about f1 cars are the brakes.
    You ain't kidding. 124mph - 0 in 180ft

    To put that in perspective 124 mph = 181 ft/s

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    They were talking about downforce during one of the races where the rear wing seperated from the car. Something about the nose/tail section providing for about 2 tons of downforce at speed for each axle.

    Not sure if that's true or not...
    Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by hundreds of engineers that get paid thousands of dollars for something you bought at Pep Boys because your buddy who doesn't have a job told you it was 'better'?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CirrusSR22
    I thought it was NASCAR as well (oops), but the quote from the interview posted above is:

    One is America’s premier auto race, the Indianapolis 500. “It's a step down from Formula One,” he tells Rose. "And second, it's too dangerous.”

    You really can't blame him for stating the obvious. Not only is it dangerous but the amount of driving finesse and mental exertion required to race F1 is incredible. Even the Indy 500 guys want to become F1 drivers (i.e. Montoya, DeMata), and while only a few actually achieve that goal, even fewer make the transition successfully (DeMata I heard has been demoted back to Indy league).

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    Those are some sick numbers.

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