I found a 97 sedan with Vortech supercharger on it. I ran a carfax and it has had only one owner and the car has 52xxx miles. If I had a pre purchase inspection, would there be other problems I should be worried about? Basically, I dont know much about superchargers and their inherent dangers on the engine. Thanks...still searching for my M3 sedan.
joe
NO!! I would never buy a car with a Supercharger!! Sorry, I know people will say that a properly setup supercharger is ok for the engine but you are putting a tons of additional stress on the motor that wasn't initially speced for!
You might get a year with no problems but then????? Look for a car with a nice owner!! IMHO!!
I would buy it... but u just have to remember that with the extra power you will have problems with certain things over time. What do u expect when you throw 100hp over what the car was designed for.
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I am truely unsure of what to do. The owner is in his early 40's, and its never been to the track/auto. Its in mint, at least from what I have heard/seen. It actually might be one of the nicest E36 sedans I have ever seen. Willy's might be the exception!
Joe
Buy It! A M3 with S/C that has been taken care of is a good buy. You will get much more bang for your buck! Just get a pre-purchase inspection done on it.
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>>You might get a year with no problems but then????? Look for a car with a nice owner!! IMHO!! <<
That is such a bunch of prejudicial crap! I had my Dinan Vortech installed in Dec of '99 at 6K miles...Today, I have 40K miles, and the engine is as solid as its ever been...Hasnt spent a day in the shop for any problems whatsoever...Its not the SC...its how the car is driven and cared for. For the originator of the thread, youre much better off with a car thats been cared for than one that hasnt...these cars take to forced induction like fish to water. Theres no reason the engine will have problems if its taken care of. If the Blower fails during the life of the car, big deal...Get it rebuilt for not a fortune, and be on your way....If you want a powerful M3, and dont want to go through the expense of installing the SC yourself, then finding one in good shape already equipped will save you alot of money, and give you alot of bang for your buck.
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The only thing holding me back, is the fact that I had some problems with my old 95 M3 and had to put a lot of cash into it before it was back in good shape. I dont want to go through that again.
Ha Ha!! I knew I would stir someone up with that one!Originally posted by paul e
That is such a bunch of prejudicial crap!
My point is, you don't know how the car has been driven!! The supercharger puts signifiacantly more strain on the engine of which you have no clue how the engine has been used? Before you come back at me that you never know how the car was driven you are right! But, if someone were to install a supercharger in an M3 I would be suspicious?? A chip, intake or things of the sort ok.... But a supercharger? Sorry but this isn't normal in the M3 enthusiests ranks. espec. someone who is in their 40's???
(I think most people would agree that board members are not the normal M3 owner) I love them to death tho....
All I am saying is I would rather have a non-forced induction car from someone in their 40's. Sorry. But the worries for future engine/tranny/Diff problems are greatly reduced. You might get a deal up front on cost but in a year or two when you have to replace stuff that ordinarily doesn't go bad it might have been better to have put your own super. in.
Sorry, but if you feel that an extra 80-100+ hp isn't going to shorten the length of life on a engine yet alone other components you are just fooling yourself!!
Do what you want. I say look for a nice sedan without a supercharger. Then install one if you really want one. There are plenty of great sedans out there owned but people who have never given the car a "workout."
sorry for the spelling but am too tired to go back and fix it.
Thanks......after some thinking, those are my thoughts exactly. I should stick with my original intentions of buying a stock or almost stock sedan with a CPO warranty.
Joe
If you have a reputable place (other than a dealer) do the pre-buy for you, I don't see why this should be an issue. While a SC gives you significantly more power, and YES, it can tax an engine more than it was supposed to be, this doesn't mean that the owner abused the extra power. Or even drove it all that hard for that matter. Having an SC doesn't mean you HAVE to beat on your car. Perhaps he was a guy who just liked to have the extra power on tap.
IMHO, it's all in the pre-buy inspection!!!
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geez, you only live once. have it checked out thoroughly, and then go for it. how many times have you heard about FI M3 engines failing? if the car is taken care of, and you are willing to continue taking care of it, it shouldn't be a major problem.
before i bought it, i would probably have it dynoed just to see how much power it was making and how well tuned it was.
hmm... i think i've seen the ad for this car...is it yellow? If so, that car looks ultra clean. I'd definitely get it checked out but seems like it would be a good car.
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Yeah, you have seen the add. I have done a lot of looking into it and everything about it seems great, but I am still pretty leary about it. It is super clean though. I would definitely have it checked out. : It has a great price tooo.Originally posted by samm3
hmm... i think i've seen the ad for this car...is it yellow? If so, that car looks ultra clean. I'd definitely get it checked out but seems like it would be a good car.
Joe
very confused
Remember the Dinan supercharger does not void the factory warranty....... I don't know if this is a Dinan but at the same time if superchargers blew up every trans and engine then BMW would say no way to covering dinan under warranty. Just my 2 cents.
Ryan
BMW doesn't cover Dinan stuff. Dinan covers Dinan's stuff. If something breaks within the engine you are going to be dealing with Dinan, or atleast they are going to be paying out in the end.
It's HIGH RPM that places additional stresses on the engine and drivetrain, not the supercharger. Ray
I would recommend you take the car to a reputable independent bimmer shop to have an inspection done. There is some advantages of having a car with lots of mods done...like getting stuffs for free . No need to do any mods when you bought the car..but then people that modified their car don't sit and admire it...they drive it and take it to the track so that's your dilema. I bought my car bone stock so I can modify the way I want to..but one of the guy I know bought his car..fully modified with Dinan...I know it a touch choice..btw..I think at the dealer, they can hook up the DME? to find out what type of driving...ie..how many times red lines been reach to find out about driving habits...check it out.
A new supercharger costs more than an engine replacement would be, and odds are there is another 100k left in that motor.
People are really nuts sometimes. Buying a modded well done car is a MUCH better deal than doing it yourself.
If you put a supercharger on a car, then wanted to sell it 20K later, do you think the motor would be ready to fall apart? Of course not.
Thanks for the replies guys, the input was very helpful. I have found my new sedan....Estoril Blue and completely stock. Absolutely beautiful. Hopefully will be picking it up today or tomorrow.
Joe
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