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    whats the best upgrade for e31 front brakes ?

    i have this kit on order Brembo Front GT Brake BBK 4piston Red 332X32 Drill BMW for 2K since i am still waiting for it i wanted to see if there are any other options ?

    what do you guys have on your e31 now ??
    Last edited by russian007am; 03-31-2022 at 12:29 AM.

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    I'm happy with Hyper's BBKoB.
    Fixes some weakness in the original spec.
    Quite good enough for everyday street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russian007am View Post
    i have this kit on order Brembo Front GT Brake BBK 4piston Red 332X32 Drill BMW for 2K since i am still waiting for it i wanted to see if there are any other options ?

    what do you guys have on your e31 now ??
    High quality brake pads, Motul 600 high temp brake fluid, steel braided brake lines in place of all flexible brake lines throughout the brake line system. Internally a clean and fully operational ABS pump/valve assembly.
    ( When really going, the ABS system was activating EVERY TIME when on the brakes )
    Last edited by CD05001CIA; 03-31-2022 at 04:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyper View Post
    I'm happy with Hyper's BBKoB.
    Fixes some weakness in the original spec.
    Quite good enough for everyday street.
    Are you still in the bay? This summer, I might want to tackle a bbk upgrade.

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    Best is a relative term!!
    Shortest stopping distance in a straight line?
    Least chassis upset when braking while cornering?
    Better thermal performance without changing the brake bias?
    ETC.

    The optimal option is balanced brake bias and thermal performance.
    Actually, all thing relative to BEST in vehicle suspension dynamics are connected to BALANCED.
    Without a balanced F/R brake setup a larger front brake rotor setup will be overloaded (overheated) by an increase in the front brake bias and often causes brake induced understeer.
    Since the typical E31 suspension is already biased toward understeer adding brake induced understeer just further complicates the steering and performance cornering dynamics.
    So that begs the question, what is the rear brake setup?
    With that, I offer a rear brake upgrade path.
    https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...ght=rear+brake
    Last edited by m6bigdog; 04-01-2022 at 02:54 AM.

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    My car has Hyper's BBKoB. Its a well devised setup I think. It works and it looks pretty cool (nothing is worth doing unless you look cool doing it). My only complaint is the front brake cylinders are slightly larger than stock resulting in a longer softer pedal. Most of the time I don't notice it but when I'm hooning it I usually yearn for a stiffer racecar brake pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodguyili View Post
    ... bay?...
    Not since 3 yrs, but UPS still works.
    Archived here in SoCal: 25 bracket pairs, a small collection of NIB rotors, front and rear, a small collection of oem calipers, front and rear, some rebuilt, some waiting.
    Summer? I'm not looking for a biz op anymore, but for a single adventurer with some talent, I could dust off the install docs, put together a kit.
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    Re: m6bigdog: BALANCED, rear brakes
    Yep, that's what makes it "work", meaning feels correct, controlled and comfortable on the street.
    ...combined with the factory low-slung.
    Y'all would hate more front, absent the other two pieces.
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    Re: LappingLuke: Larger front brake cylinder?
    Hyper's BBKoB remounts the existing unmodified front caliper (ATE or brembo-style) to a new radius.
    It's the rears that get larger, to BALANCE out what is done up front, and yours has the 42mm in place of the stock 40.
    iirc, your ex-Alex840 also stayed solid 12mm rotor, a better choice than my vented 20, because its lighter and still adequate for street.

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    Thanks for the correction!

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    I have brackets that allow the use of VIPER Brembo calipers and larger 9X M3 rotors
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    Quote Originally Posted by petejk View Post
    Will be fitting 360mm e90 M3 rotors with Aston Martin DB9 Brembos up front
    Very interesting. Which DB9 variant?

    Quote Originally Posted by m6bigdog View Post
    Best is a relative term!!
    Shortest stopping distance in a straight line?
    Least chassis upset when braking while cornering?
    Better thermal performance without changing the brake bias?
    ETC.

    The optimal option is balanced brake bias and thermal performance.
    Actually, all thing relative to BEST in vehicle suspension dynamics are connected to BALANCED.
    Without a balanced F/R brake setup a larger front brake rotor setup will be overloaded (overheated) by an increase in the front brake bias and often causes brake induced understeer.
    Since the typical E31 suspension is already biased toward understeer adding brake induced understeer just further complicates the steering and performance cornering dynamics.
    So that begs the question, what is the rear brake setup?
    With that, I offer a rear brake upgrade path.
    https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...ght=rear+brake
    Very well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auraraptor View Post
    Very interesting. Which DB9 variant?
    The standard 4 piston Brembos. Believe they were fitted from 2004-2012.
    Not the calipers used with the carbon ceramic brake option.


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    Last edited by petejk; 04-05-2022 at 01:46 AM.

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    Im using E60 M5 front and rear calipers and rotors



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    On my S70 car I have these Brembos.

    https://modbargains.com/brembo-big-b...-e31-8-series/

    On my old M70 Manual car I had (as Hyper already mentioned) BBKoB. Which is more than sufficient for spirited driving. Tested at limit on Twisties Highway 9 CA at 5 am a couple years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitfire980 View Post
    Im using E60 M5 front and rear calipers and rotors
    Looks amazing.

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