headers, mid, and muffler - does it drone? i searched the archives and there are some posts about the muffler but cldnt find any where the full monty was being run from headers back. this particular car is a dd so i dont want it to be loud and def dont want to deal with any drone. thanks. and wld using a dinan muffler make it quieter (keeping SS headers and mid) ?
Last edited by RickyN F355; 09-27-2020 at 02:02 PM.
Are you going to use the SS ‘cat’-section (2)?
If not you will need to use post-‘cat’ simulators for the post-catalytic converter ‘watch dog’ O2 sensors.
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I have a complete Euro SS with resonators (no cats) and race muffler. Yes, it drones. I've been thinking about replacing the race muffler with the sport to see if that helps.
X-Pipe, ‘Cat’ section, w/200 cell
https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-351190-tms351190/
X-Pipe, non-‘cat’
https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-5...36-325-328-m3/
Resonated X-Pipe section, non-‘cat’
https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3...ter-resonator/
SuperSprint is currently ‘On Sale’ at ECS and Turner. And while Turner is under the ECS umbrella Turner looks to have better pricing.
At one point I had seen a Switzerland model muffler (as I recall) that might fall in line with Dinan.
https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-1...nless-muffler/
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Last edited by bluptgm3; 10-03-2020 at 12:02 AM.
I’ve had it done twice.
Here’s a video without resonators race x-pipe with sport muffler(all euro m3 spec)
https://youtu.be/yTCrolG301c
Here is same setup but with scorpion rear race muffler
https://youtu.be/7cj-N6cWJT8
https://youtu.be/SLeI1eN_je8
Last edited by GG///M3; 10-02-2020 at 10:15 PM.
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I’ll have new vids on my other e36 m3 with resonated center section with SS race muffler
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I don’t understand the 3 versions of the mid pipe. What am I missing? No cats or 200 cell cats shld be the decision no?
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Shown above are all evo spec e36 ss exhaust . First is with the race x pipe, and the second is resonated with race muffler.
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When I had the Euro Sport muffler, I wondered whether I should have gotten the Race instead. The Dinan rear for USA M3 won’t fit Euro SS midpipe. Nothing fits except Euro spec — it’s bigger diameter and different flanged.
I was just the opposite. I got the SS euro race muffler and have been wondering if I should have gotten the sport. The race muffler is fun for a while when leaning on the throttle, but is tiresome when just cruising on the highway. Yes, euro is a different setup than US version. The main reason I got it was for the bigger diameter long tube headers. More air flow in and more airflow out.
I had the scorpion with the x-pipe which sounded amazing, but the drone was horrible. Wish I had the resonated midpipes with the scorpion.
I switched to the sport muffler which made it too boring.
Current car has resonated midpipes and race muffler . Sounded better then the sport muffler .
I’ll get some videos up shortly.
“If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
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We just took a 1000 mile road trip in my E90M3 and my wife complained about the loud exhaust. I get thumbs up from kids. Even I would say it’s 20% too loud. Hard to get exhaust just right, but just right also depends on use. Is it to amuse you for an hour every 2 weeks?
Did I read correctly that the Supersprint is 409 "stainless?" That's disappointing.
2011 M3 Sedan
2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD LBZ
1999 323i GTS2
1995 M3 - S50B32/S6S420G/3.91
1990 325is
1989 M3 - S54B32/GS6-37BZ
Hers: 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo
Hers: 1989 325iX
Really? LOL!!???!!
Stainless Steel Alloy 409
Type 409 Stainless Steel is a Ferritic steel, known mostly for its excellent oxidation and corrosion resistance qualities, and its excellent fabricating characteristics , which allow it to be formed and cut easily. It typically has one of the lowest price-points of all the types of stainless steel. It has decent tensile strength and is readily welded by arc welding as well as being adaptable to resistance spot and seam welding. It is important to note that welding Type 409 does not impair its corrosion resistance.
Because of its positive attributes, you can find Type 409 Stainless Steel in use in a number of different industries and applications including:
Automotive and truck exhaust systems (including manifolds and mufflers)
Agricultural machinery (spreaders)
Heat Exchangers
Fuel filters
Type 409 stainless steel has a unique chemical composition that includes:
C 10.5-11.75%
Fe 0.08%
Ni 0.5%
Mn 1%
Si 1%
P 0.045%
S 0.03%
Ti 0.75% max
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Last edited by bluptgm3; 10-05-2020 at 09:31 PM.
Magnaflow uses 409 stainless. 409 stainless rusts. 304 stainless basically doesn't. (Yeah, I know 304 can rust, but in my usage conditions, 304 doesn't rust.)
409 stainless is a cheap alternative that is way better than using mild steel, is easier to work with, but I don't really care about Supersprint's ease of manufacturing. Plenty of other maufacturers are able to work with 304 stainless just fine. For what a Supersprint setup costs, it ought to be 304.
2011 M3 Sedan
2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD LBZ
1999 323i GTS2
1995 M3 - S50B32/S6S420G/3.91
1990 325is
1989 M3 - S54B32/GS6-37BZ
Hers: 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo
Hers: 1989 325iX
so is the $2,000 unit the one to go with for a USA m3?
2011 M3 Sedan
2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD LBZ
1999 323i GTS2
1995 M3 - S50B32/S6S420G/3.91
1990 325is
1989 M3 - S54B32/GS6-37BZ
Hers: 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo
Hers: 1989 325iX
Yes, well. You can get eBay headers in 304. (It appears that the Supersprint headers are in fact 304 stainless, which makes it even more absurd IMO that the easy to manufacture components are 409.)
Regardless, a lack of good alternatives does not make the use of 409 *less* disappointing. If anything, it makes it more so.
I'm not saying don't buy it because it's 409. I'm just saying that it's unfortunate that they cheaped out.
Last edited by nick325xit 5spd; 10-06-2020 at 01:54 PM.
2011 M3 Sedan
2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD LBZ
1999 323i GTS2
1995 M3 - S50B32/S6S420G/3.91
1990 325is
1989 M3 - S54B32/GS6-37BZ
Hers: 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo
Hers: 1989 325iX
I went back and looked at some photos I took of my SS Euro setup when I unpacked it. It is a mix of 304 stainless and 409 stainless. I think the headers are 304. The muffler is 304. The mid pipe is, I believe, 409. Anyway, it is definitely not all 409.
You guys aren't really answering his question.
There's an issue here that isn't super apparent using ECS / Turner website to search SuperSprint parts. There are "US" fitment options, and "Euro" fitment options. Euro engines require larger diameter pipe than the US engines do, this is why there are so many different options that show up when just searching for E36 M3 parts without the US or Euro flag. Euro exhaust parts fit the US engine and chassis, but you must do the entire Euro setup to use it. You cannot mix US SuperSprint parts with Euro SuperSprint parts (you can, but not without custom fabrication).
For US cars, there are no catalyst mid section options. The mid section for this setup is compatible with all US mufflers including stock
For Euro cars, there are catalyst mid section options. The mid section for this setup is only compatible with Euro M3 mufflers.
For a US setup
Header - 785501 - €1,003.00
X-pipe Mid (no cats) - 043412 - €485.00
Muffler (Sport) - 784426 - €975.00
Muffler (Race) - 042806 - €653.00
For a Euro setup
Header - 784301 - €1,311.00
X-pipe Mid (no cats) - 043612 - €490.00
H-pipe Mid (w/cats) - 043602 - €2,130.00
Muffler (Sport) - 784326 - €975.00
Muffler (Race) - 043606 - €645.00
Supersprint "resonated" mid-section is not listed because it is a steaming pile of Italian dog shit. Do not buy it.
Last edited by Braymond141; 10-06-2020 at 05:52 PM.
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