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Thread: Red or Dead Sled - Mike's Sedan Build

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    Red or Dead Sled - Mike's Sedan Build

    Hey dudes,

    I'm putting together a new daily driver / backup drift car to drive on days where the weather is miserable (excessively hot, cold, rainy, whatever. Maybe I just want to listen to Katie Perry while I throw backies okay, leave me alone! ) and I am going to be documenting it on youtube, as well as here. I have already posted the first 2 videos about the car, and today I'll have a 3rd. I'm trying to make small progress on the car every single day and make a video about it to see if it can boost some youtube algorithms for me. If you haven't checked out my youtube yet and subscribed, please go do so here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQD..._as=subscriber

    The car is an OBD1 E36 325i, with 176k on the clock. I got it for $600 running, but with a bad automatic a few years ago. Now the plan is to swap to a manual, lower it on some BC racing coilovers, and throw some white XXR wheels on it. I think I'm going to go with XXR530s again and run them in 18x8.75 square, as that's the front wheel size I run on my M3, and I don't really want to cut up the fenders on this car just yet. If I do decide to widebody it later, I can easily run the wider wheels that I already have for my M3 out back on the sedan also. I'm going to turbo this car on pump gas and run low boost for awhile to keep it simple, and then eventually it's going to get a rowdy M50 non-vanos setup and a lot of boost on E85.

    Next plans up:

    -fuel pump install and relay
    -install MAF, various clips and things from BMW
    -START! It'll be the first start in at least a few years. Fingers crossed!

    Here are some pictures so far of it. The roof and hood have peeling clear coat, and quite a lot of oxidation in the paint. The sides of the car however, look GREAT! I love hellrot red.. It's so dang bright.

    On to the videos and pictures! Enough blabbering.

    Part 1:


    Part 2:


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    This is 18x8.75+1 with a 235/40-18. I think if I change to thinner adapters, I can get another 17mm of clearance. That combined with a roll/pull should fit nicely as a square setup.

    Stay tuned for Part 3 tonight!

    Mike
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    Why bother with a NV-m50? A stock m50/52 should hold 500 wheel EZPZ. I wouldn't really bother running pump on the low boost setup over E either, unless you have a specific reason for it.

    Stock fuel system can flow enough E for 350-400 wheel as it comes from the factory. Just need big enough injectors.

    You pickup so much mid-range with VANOS as well.

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    awesome start to a build! jw what's the story on your dad m3 sedan with the blown head gasket? is it turbo charged and possibly ever for sale? gorgeous spread of cars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginge323 View Post
    Why bother with a NV-m50? A stock m50/52 should hold 500 wheel EZPZ. I wouldn't really bother running pump on the low boost setup over E either, unless you have a specific reason for it.

    Stock fuel system can flow enough E for 350-400 wheel as it comes from the factory. Just need big enough injectors.

    You pickup so much mid-range with VANOS as well.

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    So for the pump idea, I was just going to run a low boost 8-10 psi setup on 93, keep a stock FPR and a walbro 255 and just tool around with that for awhile. I'm well aware of the limits of these engines. I have a spare M50TU and M50NV also. The M50NV rods can hold over 700wtq stock, and the head has dual valve springs, thicker valve stems so less likely to fail like the 6mm stems in the vanos heads, and you can easily add VANOS to an M50NV head (which I would, and run S52 cams, and full vanos control). In my drift car, I have a built head to handle constant limiter bashing without pulling through a factory retainer, or snapping a factory 2-piece valve, etc. I didn't want to spend the money again to fully build a daily/fun project, so an M50NV with vanos adapted is a way to have a tank of a 2.5L for dirt cheap. The drag guys have found that you can squeeze a ton out of the stock pistons if you just regap the rings. The rings butt against the ends with enough power/heat and then put pressure on the ring lands, which breaks them. If I were shooting for the moon, I would be pulling the pistons and regapping the rings. I don't think that's needed for 400 or whatever I make for awhile.

    You can make a hell of a lot more than 400 on E85 on a "stock fuel system," you just need enough pump behind it. If I were to do dual walbro 400's in tank with a rallyroad hanger, 700-800whp is fine on stock -5AN hardlines, and a stock rail. The whole idea behind just going pump initially was to not have to deal with changing all the rubber out to Gates barricade or a PTFE hose. I was just trying to keep it simple and get it going, and then go wild with it later. I may put new bearings in the M50NV, adapt vanos, get some s52 cams, cutring, arps, all that while I do the mild turbo setup on the M50TU in the car.

    You should check out my other build thread here: https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...ld-)-E36-turbo

    Quote Originally Posted by lbennyboobool View Post
    awesome start to a build! jw what's the story on your dad m3 sedan with the blown head gasket? is it turbo charged and possibly ever for sale? gorgeous spread of cars!
    It's a built S52, cometic MLS 87mm, and I think it just blew between 5/6 cylinder from an overboost condition or knocking at some point. We're going to pull it, put a cutring in it, and put it back together, and probably switch it to RK-tunes OBD2. Yes it's turbocharged, GT35R turbo, forged pistons and rods, built 2.93 diff. And thank you! They're all older stuff, but each one has it's own unique allure for sure.

    Mike
    Last edited by MikeE36; 04-30-2019 at 06:18 PM.
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    I actually took a NV head, ported and polished it, then adapted VANOS onto it to put onto an S52 I had. 550whp for a week. It was nice. Also scary.

    Status: Someone put glitter in my oil. Wait. Why's all my oil outside the engine? What's that knocking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protomor View Post
    I actually took a NV head, ported and polished it, then adapted VANOS onto it to put onto an S52 I had. 550whp for a week. It was nice. Also scary.
    That's the plan, sort of! I have an M50TU in the car, a spare M50TU, and a spare M50NV. I want to see what a 2.5L non-vanos can do, with just vanos and S52 cams added, and increase the ring gaps a bit. We shall see!

    Mike
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    Part 3 is up!



    Mike
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    Part 4 is up:



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    oh yea I think I saw this on lonestar drift!

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