I'm trying to figure out if my 2010 328i (N51 engine) is covered by the SULEV extended warranty (15yrs/150K miles) in Washington state. I recently purchased this car from a guy in Southern California. The car was originally sold in California, but of course is now registered in Washington State.
To quote the warranty manual that came with the car (page 42):
The California Emissions Control System Limited Warranty applies to all 2010 U.S. Specification BMW SULEV (PZEV) vehicles sold, leased, and/or registered in California, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island or Vermont.
By my reading the and/or clause seems to indicate that the vehicle in question has to be either sold/leased, OR registered in one of the states listed. Since mine was originally sold in California, am I covered?
floydr,
I appreciate your answer and it gives me some hope that I won't have to pay $6K for a new fuel tank if my fuel pump eventually dies. I'm curious though, how do you know? Have you had some experience with making a SULEV Extended Warranty claim in a non-participating state? Or perhaps you know someone who has?
Well you won't have to worry about that since the fuel pump is replaceable the e46 sulevs are the ones with the gas tank that needs to be replaced I just looked on the parts film
Call my Bellevue BMW service advisor, Cliff Newton, at 425-957-3859. Might want to leave a message for him to call you so you don't interfere with his work with customers.
SULEV coverage is good anywhere. I'm a dealership tech in Atlanta and we replace stuff regularly under the warranty.
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From BMW's Warranties Documentation portal :
To determine if a vehicle is eligible for the California Emission Control System Limited Warranties coverage, the following three items must be taken into consideration:
• Model year of the vehicle
• Current state where the vehicle is registered
• Original state where vehicle was retailed (only for vehicles prior to 2011 model year)
And later ...
Emission Coverage - 2011 Model Year and Newer BMW Vehicles
The statement in the Service and Warranty Booklet is:
The California Emission Control System Limited Warranty applies to all [applicable model year] U.S.-specification BMW [models] registered in [specific states - list].
Emission Coverage - BMW Vehicles up to and including 2010 Model Year
The statement in the Service and Warranty Booklet is:
The California Emission Control System Limited Warranty applies to all [applicable model year] U.S.-specification BMW vehicles sold, leased, and/or registered in [specific states - list].
So you are correct in that the warranty for 2011 Models and newer, it only matters which state the vehicle is CURRENTLY REGISTERED in for determining emissions coverage. So your 2010 having been sold originally in CA, has that coverage wherever it goes. Newer cars do not.
Critter7r,
Very interesting and thanks for the insight. That's how it reads to me as well. My engine is currently throwing a DISA related code. I may have to contact the dealer to see what they can do per the SULEV extended warranty. Those DISA valves aren't cheap.
I don't see the DISA valve on the SULEV/PZEV list of covered components.
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2010 BMW Emissions Related Parts List
Model = 128i Series
Model = 328i Series
LIST OF EMISSIONS PARTS SUBJECT TO PZEV WARRANTY
LIST OF EMISSIONS PARTS SUBJECT TO PZEV WARRANTY
Part Name
Part Name
GASKET, VALVETRONIC ACTUATOR
GASKET, VALVETRONIC ACTUATOR
OIL FILLER CAP
OIL FILLER CAP
CYLINDER HEAD COVER GASKET
CYLINDER HEAD COVER GASKET
VACUUM PIPE
VACUUM PIPE
VENT HOSE
VENT HOSE
ADJUSTMENT UNIT, INTAKE CAMSHAFT
ADJUSTMENT UNIT, INTAKE CAMSHAFT
SOLENOID VALVE
SOLENOID VALVE
ADJUSTMENT UNIT, EXHAUST CAMSHAFT
ADJUSTMENT UNIT, EXHAUST CAMSHAFT
SOLENOID VALVE
SOLENOID VALVE
VALVETRONIC SENSOR
VALVETRONIC SENSOR
VALVETRONIC ACTUATOR
VALVETRONIC ACTUATOR
THERMOSTAT
THERMOSTAT
O-RING, ANGLE CONNECTOR
O-RING, ANGLE CONNECTOR
SET INTAKE MANIFOLD GASKET
SET INTAKE MANIFOLD GASKET
INTAKE MANIFOLD
INTAKE MANIFOLD
INTAKE MANIFOLD ADJUSTER (REAR)
INTAKE MANIFOLD ADJUSTER (REAR)
INTAKE MANIFOLD ADJUSTER (FRONT)
INTAKE MANIFOLD ADJUSTER (FRONT)
ANGLE CONNECTOR
ANGLE CONNECTOR
SAS VALVE GASKET
SAS VALVE GASKET
SECONDARY AIR PUMP
SECONDARY AIR PUMP
SUCTION HOSE, SAS
SUCTION HOSE, SAS
SAS VALVE
SAS VALVE
PRESSURE HOSE, SAS
PRESSURE HOSE, SAS
HEATED REAR OXYGEN SENSOR
HEATED REAR OXYGEN SENSOR
HEATED FRONT OXYGEN SENSOR
HEATED FRONT OXYGEN SENSOR
IGNITION COIL
IGNITION COIL
O-RING, CAMSHAFT SENSOR
O-RING, CAMSHAFT SENSOR
ENGINE CONTROL MODULE
ENGINE CONTROL MODULE
OIL PRESSURE SENSOR
OIL PRESSURE SENSOR
CAP
CAP
FUEL RAIL
FUEL RAIL
INJECTION VALVE
INJECTION VALVE
THROTTLE BODY GASKET
THROTTLE BODY GASKET
THROTTLE BODY
THROTTLE BODY
ENGINE COOLANT TEMP SENSOR
ENGINE COOLANT TEMP SENSOR
RADIATOR COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR
RADIATOR COOLANT TEMP. SENSOR
DIFFERENTIAL PRESSURE SENSOR O-RING
DIFFERENTIAL PRESSURE SENSOR O-RING
CAMSHAFT SENSOR
CAMSHAFT SENSOR
CRANKSHAFT POSITION/RPM SENSOR
CRANKSHAFT POSITION/RPM SENSOR
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2010 BMW Emissions Related Parts List
Model = 128i Series
Model = 328i Series
LIST OF EMISSIONS PARTS SUBJECT TO PZEV WARRANTY
LIST OF EMISSIONS PARTS SUBJECT TO PZEV WARRANTY
Part Name
Part Name
DIFFERENTIAL PRESSURE SENSOR
DIFFERENTIAL PRESSURE SENSOR
MASS AIR FLOW SENSOR
MASS AIR FLOW SENSOR
KNOCK SENSOR
KNOCK SENSOR
DIFFERENTIAL PRESSURE SENSOR
DIFFERENTIAL PRESSURE SENSOR
INJECTION VALVE O-RING
INJECTION VALVE O-RING
RUBBER BOOT (INTAKE AIR DUCT)
RUBBER BOOT (INTAKE AIR DUCT)
CONNECTOR (INTAKE AIR DUCT)
CONNECTOR (INTAKE AIR DUCT)
PURGE VALVE
PURGE VALVE
FUEL FILLER CAP
FUEL FILLER CAP
SERVICE LID FOR FUEL TANK, RIGHT
SERVICE LID FOR FUEL TANK, RIGHT
RETAINER, FUEL TANK UNIT, RIGHT
FUEL TANK
FUEL TANK
REPAIR KIT FOR FLANGE COVER
REPAIR KIT FOR FLANGE COVER
REPAIR KIT FOR FUEL TANK @ FILLER FLAP
REPAIR KIT FOR FUEL TANK @ FILLER FLAP
REPAIR KIT FOR FUEL TANK FILLER FLAP
REPAIR KIT FOR FUEL TANK FILLER FLAP
FUEL FILLER NECK
FUEL FILLER NECK
FUEL LEVEL SENSOR, RIGHT
FUEL LEVEL SENSOR, RIGHT
FUEL LINE (UNDERBODY)
FUEL LINE (UNDERBODY)
FUEL FEED LINE
FUEL FEED LINE
SEAL, CANISTER-TO-LDP
SEAL, CANISTER-TO-LDP
DUST FILTER, LDP
DUST FILTER, LDP
SCAVENGE LINE
VENT LINE (FILLER NECK-TO-TANK)
VENT PIPE (FILLER NECK-TO-CANISTER)
VENT PIPE (FILLER NECK-TO-CANISTER)
VENT PIPE (DUST FILTER-TO-LDP)
SCAVENGE LINE
LEAK DIAGNOSTIC PUMP
VENT PIPE (DUST FILTER-TO-LDP)
EVAPORATIVE CANISTER
LEAK DIAGNOSTIC PUMP
DELIVERY UNIT, RIGHT
EVAPORATIVE CANISTER
FUEL PUMP CONTROL UNIT
DELIVERY UNIT, RIGHT
RADIATOR W/DORS (AUTOMATIC TRANS)
FUEL PUMP CONTROL UNIT
RADIATOR W/DORS (MANUAL TRANS)
RADIATOR W/DORS (AUTOMATIC TRANS)
EXHAUST PIPE GASKET
RADIATOR W/DORS (MANUAL TRANS)
EXHAUST PIPE WITH CATALYST
EXHAUST PIPE GASKET
EXHAUST MANIFOLD GASKET
EXHAUST PIPE WITH CATALYST
EXHAUST MANIFOLD WITH CATALYST
EXHAUST MANIFOLD GASKET
TORQUE CONVERTER
EXHAUST MANIFOLD WITH CATALYST
TRANS. CONTROL MODULE, MECHATRONIK
TORQUE CONVERTER
GAS PEDAL MODULE (AUTOMATIC)
TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE, MECHATRONIK
GAS PEDAL MODULE (MANUAL)
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That's the list for 2010 Models.
In this list I believe it is the Intake Manifold Adjuster (front and rear).
That list is a whole lot longer than I ever would have guessed!
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I just spoke to Dean from the service department at BMW of Seattle and he said that no, an N51 car first sold in California but registered in Washington State is not covered by the 15/150K warranty. He said that he'd like to do the work, but that if they submitted it to BMW-NA for reimbursement, it would get denied. He also sent me a statement that BMW-NA sent to dealers that says:
"SULEV (PZEV) cars registered in the State of Washington are covered by the California Emission Control System Limited Warranty (3/50, 7/70 or 8/100 if applicable), but not the extended SULEV (PZEV) warranty."
Which goes against the other statement in the emissions manual. That statement is, "BMW vehicles not initially retailed, leased or currently registered in one of these "CARB compliant states" are not eligible for this coverage." Which implies that a BMW vehicle that WAS initially RETAILED, leased, or is currently registered in one of those states IS ELIGIBLE for this coverage. Your car, being initially retailed in one of those states, is covered.
And I know this to be true, because Michigan (where I'm at) is not in any way a CARB state, and we have made 15/150 SULEV claims (on pre-2012 vehicles) to BMW several times.
So, a little history ... When BMW figured out that they could change the verbiage for SULEV/PZEV emissions coverage from "initially sold, leased, or currently registered in (CARB states) ... ", to only those vehicles "currently registered in (CARB states) ..." in 2012, they did. But they had to contend with the 2011-and-earlier models that still said "initially sold, leased ..." in their warranty manuals that came with each new car. One of the things they did was to re-write the Emissions Coverage Warranty Manual and replace all of the instances of "initially sold" to "registered". The problem is that they did it in some places that they shouldn't have, like in the "2009 and newer" section of Washington State. That statement should only be for "2012 and newer", and there should be an additional 2009-2011 delineation.
Stay with me, I know it's cumbersome ...
Washington State only partially adopted the CARB rules, so a PZEV/SULEV car sold in Washington State NEVER carried the 15/150 PZEV/SULEV. That warranty statement BMW of Seattle sent you only really applies to vehicles SOLD in Washington State up to and including model-year 2011, and it applies to all post-2011 vehicles registered in Washington State. But if a 2011-or-earlier vehicle was sold in a state that had fully adopted the CARB rules, those rules follow it anywhere it goes, regardless of CARB affiliation.
Last edited by Critter7r; 04-02-2019 at 10:07 AM.
So the point I would try to make with the dealer is that in 2009, the warranty stated that "The California Emission Control System Limited Warranty applies to all 2009 U.S.-specification BMW vehicles sold, leased, and/or registered in [specific states - list]."
The vehicle in question was sold in California, which was obviously a CARB state. Nowhere does it state that the 15/150 SULEV/PZEV coverage only applies within those CARB states, it applies to the vehicle. So BMW cannot, in 2012, retroactively remove coverage that they stated the vehicle did have back in 2009.
So I called the BMW dealer in Bellevue, WA and the service adviser there said the warranty does apply. That's a promising. I diagnosed the DISA valve as the outside unit which is pretty easy for me to fix myself, so I'm just going to go that route and save myself the time and hassle of going to the dealer. Thanks for all the help everyone. If I ever do need to take the car in for a warranty claim, I'll let you all know how it goes in this thread.
What dealership are you at? I’m fighting with my SA at BMW of Murray in UT about sulev warranty for my 2007 328i originally sold and registered in Cali; they’re claiming Utah is not a sulev state so Warranty coverage doesn’t apply. I’d like to use your dealership as a reference, see if I can get my SA to call there and get information or something- I’m about to pull my hair out!!
Here's how I got it to work. I have a 2011 328i (n51) in Florida, a non-sulev state, with about 100k miles. My fuel pump went bad (per car display message), car cutting out after 5 to 10 mins. BMW diagnostic confirmed problem and also stated that the fuel pump module was bad and needed replacing. Cost - about $3,000. They would not honor the Sulev Warranty because the car was not registered in a Sulev state.
So I started researching and found that Vermont (a Sulev state) allows anyone to register a car (and transfer car title to Vermont) - - without being a Vermont resident, and insurance not required to register/transfer title. So I filed out the application and added the application fee (about $100), overnighted it to a courier in Burlington (paid him about $100), he walked it in, got the temporary title and new license plates and overnighted it back to me.
I changed my plates, towed the car back to BMW, and they did the job under the SULEV warranty.
Yesterday, I transferred my Vermont title back to Florida, about $100.
Thanking God for that success! ✝️
Note: Courier's name is Edimos Delivery Service - at EDS Courier in Burlington. Nice guy, honest, helpful, fair.
hey man can I shoot you a text or something? I’m out here in Texas on the same boat
Hi,
New member here. I recently purchased a 2013 550i which had the engine replaced approximately 20,000 miles ago. I have driven BMWs for years and realize the value of a good warranty. The one good warranty company I did have is now out of business! Any warranty companies you would recommend would be greatly appreciated.
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