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    Another chain guide story

    Well I'm back home after 65 days on the ship. I think I have all of the parts I need. I'm doing the guides and vanos. I'll post updates as I go, it will all start when I get back from Cancun next Wednesday. I think when I'm all done I'm going to move on to an Alpina B7. Even though there was a class action lawsuit over the engine the Alpina is a beefed up car that I think will be well suited for some track time. I have been looking at E60 M5's but I just don't want to give up the day to day ride that I have. I'm going to test drive a few before I jump but I think 500hp is too tempting to turn down.
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    Why bother with the guides if you're going to move on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acspecialists View Post
    Well I'm back home after 65 days on the ship. I think I have all of the parts I need. I'm doing the guides and vanos. I'll post updates as I go, it will all start when I get back from Cancun next Wednesday. I think when I'm all done I'm going to move on to an Alpina B7. Even though there was a class action lawsuit over the engine the Alpina is a beefed up car that I think will be well suited for some track time. I have been looking at E60 M5's but I just don't want to give up the day to day ride that I have. I'm going to test drive a few before I jump but I think 500hp is too tempting to turn down.
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    I wonder if being Alpine made those engines more or less reliable. Probably hard to make them less reliable

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    To answer the first question, I had ordered the parts before I discovered the B7. Nothing is over until it's over. I have never been in a nicer car to drive and I may not like the F01.
    Based on my research Alpina put in better pistons, rods, crank, heads and lighter turbos with a slight boost increase. They also beefed up the tranny, diff and drivelines. Of course all of the fluff and badges, no real horsepower increase. They price out about the same as an E60 M5 but you get a lot more for your money. The 750i sport is a close second but you don't get the beefed up running gear. As long as I know what I am getting into I don't mind wreching. The M5 has rod bearings, clutch, shifter pump, throttle bodies and alternator as known problems. No free lunch with 500hp!
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    I find the job, soothing, it takes forever, but you get the satisfaction of cleaning and sealing as you go.

    Not too mention it will sell faster, because some wise guy won't be bad mouthing timing guides...

    B7 sounds great!
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    Just getting started. The big bolt tomorrowKIMG0048.jpgKIMG0048.jpg
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    I spy green shyte in that water pump cavity....

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    I guess you mean the coolant not being blue? Nope it is not the blue shyte and it will not be when it goes back together. I did the long life coolant for a while but got tired of throwing money away every time one of my old cars needed work.

    I just picked up an E60 M5 last night. 107k with alternator, rod bearings and clutch done 8k ago. I paid 11k for it. I'm going to sell my wifes E39 525i wagon and see will drive the E38 when I get it back together.
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    00' 740il Dinan, CAI, Romulus exhaust, Stage 5 engine and transmission tune, 750 brakes, camber plates, strut tower brace. Sold
    00' 323i wagon for daughter
    03' 525i wagon for the wife, sold
    98' 740i for the daughter, wrecked
    92' 525i with over 200k, wrecked
    02' R1200 CLC, hit by a bus and broken in half. That one made the news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acspecialists View Post
    I guess you mean the coolant not being blue? Nope it is not the blue shyte and it will not be when it goes back together. I did the long life coolant for a while but got tired of throwing money away every time one of my old cars needed work.

    I just picked up an E60 M5 last night. 107k with alternator, rod bearings and clutch done 8k ago. I paid 11k for it. I'm going to sell my wifes E39 525i wagon and see will drive the E38 when I get it back together.
    Sounds like a good deal with rod bearings done. I was thinking to get one cheap and do it myself but looks too complicated and needs a lift.

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    I got the jesus bolt out, 3/4 drive with a 6' cheater bar. Just for the record it is ridiculous to have this bolt on that tight. It is not even a harmonic balancer all it does is drive the belts. Anyway the covers are all off and I broke the thermostat for the trans cooler. Once i started ordering stuff I just ordered all of the small hoses for the cooler and alternator. The chain guides are intact. I figured because I was doing the Vanos I may as well do the chain guides. Going from one to the other is a big step. I have 170k on the car so I'm not wasting money but there is a lot more work involved. The oil separator hoses was in pieces so I guess that's why I would get an occasional smoky start up.

    Today I will change out the Vanos valve bodies, rebuild the Vanos on the cam gear and clean everything up. It should go pretty smooth because everything is off the car. I guess breaking one little plastic piece is not to bad considering all of the shit that is in there.
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    00' 323i wagon for daughter
    03' 525i wagon for the wife, sold
    98' 740i for the daughter, wrecked
    92' 525i with over 200k, wrecked
    02' R1200 CLC, hit by a bus and broken in half. That one made the news!
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    At 170k, I'm curious to hear / see what shape the guides are in. Please post some pictures or descriptions as far as how worn they are, any cracks or broken pieces, etc.

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    Nice work! Love to see these saved...

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    Vanos rebuilt, new guides installed, ready for timing.
    The guides were all in one piece. There were groves but no cracks. Knowing what I know now I would have skipped it and just did the vanos. It is not a hard job juts time consuming, you have to go step by step. I spent more time cleaning parts than anything else. The Vanos rebuild was straight forward, I had no trouble with it. My car was on the edge of the housing update and it had the new style. I ordered replacements but they will be returned. My vanos housings looked like new.
    Got to got work on the boat tomorrow and get it all polished and waxed up while its hauled out. I was repairing the underlayment to put a new floor in and ended up ripping it all out. Now I have to rebuild it. The bottom paint should be done and the props are replaced so its ready to get wet when I'm done. I'll post again in a few days. Hopefully it will be timed and running?
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    00' 323i wagon for daughter
    03' 525i wagon for the wife, sold
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    92' 525i with over 200k, wrecked
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    Nice work! I assume you used the Beisan seals/procedure for the Vanos? After 25k mine are still quiet and working well.
    Don't forget the two check valves in the base of the housings that retain oil in the Vanos at shutdown. Cures the knock on startup.

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    Beisan, Check. Check valves, check. Not sure the seals make that much difference. I think the crimping is where you stop the oil from getting out? Another big ass wrench that you have to put your ass into to get the crimp.
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    00' 740il Dinan, CAI, Romulus exhaust, Stage 5 engine and transmission tune, 750 brakes, camber plates, strut tower brace. Sold
    00' 323i wagon for daughter
    03' 525i wagon for the wife, sold
    98' 740i for the daughter, wrecked
    92' 525i with over 200k, wrecked
    02' R1200 CLC, hit by a bus and broken in half. That one made the news!
    It's like herpes there is no cure but if treated properly you can live with it for the rest of your life

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    Lmao...yep, the seals just renew old hard material. The key is in the crimp, it 'shortens' the casing
    applying extra force onto the inner seals, which are not accessible. Prevents internal pressure loss.
    Broke a big damn shop vice on a metal work bench doing mine... pieces flew like shrapnel.
    Fun stuff! The guys all looked at me like, "what the hell are you doing with a 6 foot pipe on that little gear!?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldroller View Post
    Lmao...yep, the seals just renew old hard material. The key is in the crimp, it 'shortens' the casing
    applying extra force onto the inner seals, which are not accessible. Prevents internal pressure loss.
    Broke a big damn shop vice on a metal work bench doing mine... pieces flew like shrapnel.
    Fun stuff! The guys all looked at me like, "what the hell are you doing with a 6 foot pipe on that little gear!?".
    Lol, brings back memories )

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    Quote Originally Posted by acspecialists View Post
    Beisan, Check. Check valves, check. Not sure the seals make that much difference. I think the crimping is where you stop the oil from getting out? Another big ass wrench that you have to put your ass into to get the crimp.
    Just a tip: when you are doing this, replace oil inlet and outlet hose o-rings on the engine side (the hoses going into the oil filter housing). Easy to access them now but hard otherwise. They always leaking if not replaced .

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    Engine timed, 4.6 TB installed. Back to the boat tomorrow.
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    If someone wants to borrow the timing tools and Vanos crimping tool I can send them for the cost of shipping and a $250 deposit. When I get the tools back you get your money back.
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    00' 323i wagon for daughter
    03' 525i wagon for the wife, sold
    98' 740i for the daughter, wrecked
    92' 525i with over 200k, wrecked
    02' R1200 CLC, hit by a bus and broken in half. That one made the news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acspecialists View Post
    Engine timed, 4.6 TB installed. Back to the boat tomorrow.
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    If someone wants to borrow the timing tools and Vanos crimping tool I can send them for the cost of shipping and a $250 deposit. When I get the tools back you get your money back.
    Isn't the 4.6 TB the same as the 4.4?

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    Can those check valves be replaced without disassembling everything? The 540 has the start up rattle for like a second. Not everyday, only sometimes.
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    If you are talking about the vanos than yes. You would need the socket to pull the valve and a magnet to pull the check valve. Mine was quite at start up when the oil was cold and then would get really noisy.

    One tip I found, after setting the timing I did one revolution and checked it again. The exhaust cam was off by the slightest amount. When I checked the chain was a little slack so I put pressure on the back of the tensioner when I reset it. otherwise the timing was dead on after one revolution.
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    03' 525i wagon for the wife, sold
    98' 740i for the daughter, wrecked
    92' 525i with over 200k, wrecked
    02' R1200 CLC, hit by a bus and broken in half. That one made the news!
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    TCG job is basically done. All of the little hoses have been replaced and the belts are on. I'm waiting for my valve covers and strut bar to be powder costed. Started on other things. H&R springs, 4"MAF and replacing the front strut arms. After that I have to jack up the rear and start on the 3.15 diff. I can't wait to get it back on the road and track with better springs and more HP!
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    00' 323i wagon for daughter
    03' 525i wagon for the wife, sold
    98' 740i for the daughter, wrecked
    92' 525i with over 200k, wrecked
    02' R1200 CLC, hit by a bus and broken in half. That one made the news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acspecialists View Post
    If you are talking about the vanos than yes. You would need the socket to pull the valve and a magnet to pull the check valve. Mine was quite at start up when the oil was cold and then would get really noisy.
    You mean socket to pull the solenoid right? Then the check valve is right behind it and comes out with a magnet? Her car is totally quiet running, but sometimes I hear the rattle when she goes to leave in the morning. Sometimes yes sometimes no. Vanos has never been done and the car has 120k. I don't plan on doing anything to the vanos, since everything seems fine, but I would replace those check valves if that was the reason for the half second rattle at start up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racer2086 View Post
    Can those check valves be replaced without disassembling everything? The 540 has the start up rattle for like a second. Not everyday, only sometimes.
    As acspecialists explaining it below. A long 10 mm bolt works well to pull them out, you can just screw in a bit and pull out. I havent tried it with a magnet. On bank 2 you need to remove the coolant hose to have access to the VANOS solenoid and you need the special socket to remove them. Super easy job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer2086 View Post
    You mean socket to pull the solenoid right? Then the check valve is right behind it and comes out with a magnet? Her car is totally quiet running, but sometimes I hear the rattle when she goes to leave in the morning. Sometimes yes sometimes no. Vanos has never been done and the car has 120k. I don't plan on doing anything to the vanos, since everything seems fine, but I would replace those check valves if that was the reason for the half second rattle at start up.
    That got to be the check valve, it's losing oil pressure when standing.

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    If your car is a 98 as listed it may be a M62 not an M62TU which would mean no Vanos?
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    92' 525i with over 200k, wrecked
    02' R1200 CLC, hit by a bus and broken in half. That one made the news!
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