Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: What are the pros and cons of e46 fca's on a e36?

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Bay Area, California
    Posts
    39
    My Cars
    1992 325is E36

    What are the pros and cons of e46 fca's on a e36?

    I am looking to see what are the positives and negatives of using e46 front control arms on a e36 chassis. I am also looking at buying the SLR mini kit and from what I've learned from Paul is that you need e46 arms to run thier 'drift' set up which involves long tie rods, and all you need are the stock e36 front control arms and tie rods to run their 'race' mini kit.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    PNW
    Posts
    780
    My Cars
    LS E46
    The pros to stock e46 arms are that it’s cheap and you can find them anywhere. Crashed your car at the track 250 miles from home and not ready to pack it up and leave just yet? Go to the junkyard and buy some more. Cons? Well you probably won’t be doing backies with stock e46 arms and probably won’t be competing on a professional level, but that’s about it really.
    Last edited by Liquidity; 01-31-2019 at 05:59 PM. Reason: clarification

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    Denver, Colorado
    Posts
    1,443
    My Cars
    99 328i, a few more
    The shape of the updated arms isn't ideal for angle, and finding the old style ones is next to impossible. We have a car locally that has e46 arms and the half kit and it damn near has as much angle as my e46 Ultra kit.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    BALTIMORE
    Posts
    804
    My Cars
    98 323
    A few years ago, I took a picture of an E30/36 control arm superimposed over an updated E46 arm. The picture is either somewhere in the drifting section here or somewhere on r3vlimited.

    You gain about an inch of frame clearance, but lose about 1.5~2" of control arm clearance at the center of the radius on the back of the arm. Take measurements and figure out if they'll be worth your time
    Popular engine swap weights & stock engine weights
    M42 + trans - 427lbs
    302 + t5 trans - 475lbs
    m20b27 + g260 - 497lbs
    m52b25 vanos + g250 - 544lbs

    351w + t5 trans - 572.5lbs
    LS,
    aluminum block + t56 - 609lbs
    LS, iron block + t56 - 719lbs, EST.
    http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...60-m42-1jz-2jz

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    PNW
    Posts
    780
    My Cars
    LS E46
    The Meyle HD arms are still the pre-update design. That’s all I use.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    Denver, Colorado
    Posts
    1,443
    My Cars
    99 328i, a few more
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidity View Post
    The Meyle HD arms are still the pre-update design. That’s all I use.
    Good to know. My system only carries ISG, Bilstien, and Lemforder which are all the updated wide arms. The pre-update are still wider than the E36 arms right? If it were me I'd just do the weld on extensions SLR offers with the half kit

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    PNW
    Posts
    780
    My Cars
    LS E46
    The geometry is the same, it’s the webbing that differs.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    San Antonio
    Posts
    538
    My Cars
    98 328is
    Quote Originally Posted by Liquidity View Post
    The Meyle HD arms are still the pre-update design. Thatís all I use.
    got a link? all of the "e46 meyle HD control arms" i get when i google are the updated aluminum ones.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    Denver, Colorado
    Posts
    1,443
    My Cars
    99 328i, a few more
    I meant wide across the middle (the webbing) where the wheel wants to tuck. So yeah, same length.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    PNW
    Posts
    780
    My Cars
    LS E46
    The webbing is still there, it’s just much thinner on them vs the updated ones. The webbing is huge on the updated arms and becomes a problem when running a lot of angle.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    fairfax,va, usa
    Posts
    6,537
    My Cars
    2 E30s and a maxima
    E46 arms work but you wind up hitting your wheel on the webbing (as stated above). If you're cheap and can weld, get the SLR extension weld on kit for your stock control arms.

    Status: Someone put glitter in my oil. Wait. Why's all my oil outside the engine? What's that knocking?

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Nc
    Posts
    186
    My Cars
    1997 328is
    Quote Originally Posted by jalopi View Post
    A few years ago, I took a picture of an E30/36 control arm superimposed over an updated E46 arm. The picture is either somewhere in the drifting section here or somewhere on r3vlimited.

    You gain about an inch of frame clearance, but lose about 1.5~2" of control arm clearance at the center of the radius on the back of the arm. Take measurements and figure out if they'll be worth your time
    Hey man ive tried to PM you to see if you still make e36 extended arms.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Posts
    169
    My Cars
    Martini BMW E36
    Can you guys confirm if these "pre-updated" arms are just American problem? I bought a set and I can't tell the difference after searching on google to compare. Even the Meyle HD from Germany looks the same as what I got.
    Anyways, I got steering rack spacers + E46 arms + polybushing in hex shape (no grinding) + angle kit alloy plates (no E90 tie rods needed). None of it is fitted apart from the rack spacers....so ermm yeah did I get my setup right or am I mistaken somewhere? Keep in mind I got my theory from this forum, from your guy's posts.


    https://i.imgur.com/OeutLGx.jpg


    The cost for this setup worked out to be peanuts to be honest in comparison to the 4 digits I've seen everywhere. I'm talking like 200 and everything is brand spanking new, apart from your E36 bushing holders that needs to be pressed out.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    fairfax,va, usa
    Posts
    6,537
    My Cars
    2 E30s and a maxima
    The picture you linked (https://i.imgur.com/OeutLGx.jpg) has the updated arms. The non updated arms give more clearance. But it isn't that much of an issue unless you run smaller diameter wheels (16s I think).

    Or is that not what you're talking about? I'm kind of confused.

    Status: Someone put glitter in my oil. Wait. Why's all my oil outside the engine? What's that knocking?

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Lakeland Florida
    Posts
    1,476
    My Cars
    1999 328ic , 2002 325xi
    Ignore the weird text but the image is relevant.
    e46_front_suspension.png

    The original E46 aluminium arms (On the bottom in the photo) looked very much like E36 arms just 27mm longer center to center. Had loads of back side clearance. They were mostly found on '99 and '00 e46's. BMW updated the design to the one pictured above said "skinny" arms due to them bending easily. They are pretty sought after for drifters but I don't believe any new ones are made anymore and the inner balljoints are unreasonably difficult to replace so if you find a set of arms the inners are most likely trashed so not really usable.

    I think the update you guys are talking about was more recent than that but sounds like a much more minor revision. Honestly I really do feel its better value to just buy a full SLR super kit (of course I would right?) since the half kit does require you to find a press or a friend with one and cock around with your control arms getting the outer balljoints out then pressing our being cup in (which people mess up and ruin the cups by accident from time to time) then getting a sway bar tab added or drilled in and then in 2 years when the inner balljoints are thrashed do it again on another set of arms. Vs the Tubular arms pressing the 3/4 bearings in and out every 15-20k miles is so much easier and cheaper in the long run.

Similar Threads

  1. Pro's/Con's.. Should I buy an e30/e36?
    By DrewSkii in forum 1991 - 1999 (E36)
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 07-14-2011, 07:10 PM
  2. pros and cons of e46 over e36?
    By 328I? in forum 1991 - 1999 (E36)
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 12-15-2008, 06:46 AM
  3. What are Pros and Cons of E46
    By Bimmer123456789 in forum 1999 - 2006 (E46)
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 05-23-2008, 09:13 AM
  4. Pros and Cons of running 87 fuel in a e36?
    By Paperboy415 in forum 1991 - 1999 (E36)
    Replies: 82
    Last Post: 11-16-2005, 09:40 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •