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    Sorry I asked

    Sorry I asked.
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    i sold a similar engine, but a 2.0 for $400, it also included a clutch.
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    Cost (market value) for all the new parts, plus $200.00 for your time.

    edit: plus cost of machine work.
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    I forgot no 320i out there is worth more than $500!

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    Probably a bit undervalued here. If I was looking at a rebuild Id certainly pay more than $500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inka2002tii View Post
    I forgot no 320i out there is worth more than $500!
    320's are worth more, just not M10's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inka2002tii View Post
    I forgot no 320i out there is worth more than $500!
    I forgot to add the 'Plus cost of machine work' to my previous post.
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    lol. It depends on what you do for it. Pick n pull has M10's, M20's,,,,, ect for $150, M10 Comes out of a professional rebuilder shop - blueprinted and so forth--you can look at for $150. maybe.

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    I think location matters too. I would expect to a good bit more for that package in SC. Also, if you are going to list it I would include the intake and carb so you can advertise as "Drop In". Just one mans opinion, but I'm of the younger generation likely to be looking for an M10.

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    Sold for $2800 to people who knows what are these truly worth. Still a loss for me.

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    Im wondering if people even saw the ireland engineering pistons and rebuild. That being said Im a bit shocked by $2800. Im going to assume it was to a 2002 guy.

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    Yes they watched and ate popcorn while I was building the engine. No bathroom brakes, no chocolate brakes. Just watched it slow motion....also I was wondering is Ireland Engineering Irish? If so, do they have any proof the pistons will make Celtic music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inka2002tii View Post
    Sold for $2800 to people who knows what are these truly worth. Still a loss for me.
    good for you, but they were taken for the fools they were.
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    I think we're talking about the same ilk that will buy an iS for 3 grand for the trans diff and seats and send the rust free body to scrap

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    At $2800 for a rebuilt 1.8 (plus the nice pistons and whatever etc's..), I wonder how much the 2.0's forged steel cranks are valued at these days?

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    And K-Jet is a wonderful fuel system!
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    Please don't take this in a wrong way but you guys are your own enemy. You guys are so used to cheap stuff that you are constantly devaluing these rare cars. If you short change yourself, ofcourse your life style will be like short change too. Again, don't take it any other way. I'm not looking down at anyone nor am I a gold digger. I did not rebuild that motor myself but I did buy all the parts and paid someone to rebuild put it all back together and it cost me $3200 (not including countless times I had to run here, run there to source all the little stuff like new timing chain, new timing chain sprocket, new rails etc.) . On top of that I bought an engine stand and paid to store it in storage for the last few years. I know this may sound absolutely like UFO landing on your heads news but any reputable BMW shop charges about $4500-$8500 to rebuild an M10 (Atleast that's what they are quoting for 2002 customers, maybe they have a separate price for 320i owners? Like $400 plus a case of sun dried prunes). The $4500 for a stock no thrill M10. and $8500 for a Metric Mechanic setup. That won't include a fly wheel, a starter, new coil, new plugs, new plug wires, new oil filter, new oil and new distributor internals. All dialed in to show it runs like a race motor on the stand, all for $2800 is a heck of a deal for people who know their time is worth every penny of that not to mention the cost of the parts.
    Mind you, for you guys this engine is worth 25 cents because your cars are worth as much as this engine. Again, I'm not looking down on anyone here. If anything, I'm trying to get you guys out of this mentality so the value of your beloved cars can slowly rise! I don't have a e21 anymore and as much as I love 2002s, I know the 320i is a far better engineered car than any 2002 will ever be! Not the design aspect but engineering improvements. 320s rust less, they were built better etc. but somehow the chipos keeping them cheap.

    Wake up people, wake up! Even the Porsche 924s are going past the 320s.
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    Some of the discrepancy is location based. These cars were/are common in So-Cal, and for the most part everything lasts longer due to the good climate. Had you been local to me I would have been very interested at that price, but would have tried to haggle for the intake/carb as well. I like to imagine a world where somebody pulls the recaro's, LSD, & 5 speed out of an 2002 to bring back a 320i.

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    Your longblock was undervalued here plainly but you should also see from the perspective that the e21 has only recently started to appreciate in value. It's been a bargain BMW for a long time and is only just beginning to climb up. That being said I'm just a loud mouth on a forum

    Only a purely enthusiast is gonna stick an engine in a car that is/was 100% it's value. For a 2002, you got quite a bit of value in a rolling shell alone. Again, this a being said, I think the work in your item was worth more than what was sgiven here but I can almost gaurantee the price was set by demand from 2002 crowds
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    Value is subjective, and price is determined only at the point of agreement of sale.

    Input costs do not determine price, and historical prices do not determine price. They influence, but do not determine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inka2002tii View Post
    ...........and paid someone to rebuild put it all back together and it cost me $3200 (not including countless times I had to run here, run there .........

    ........I bought an engine stand and paid to store it in storage for the last few years. ..........

    ........reputable BMW shop charges about $4500-$8500 to rebuild an M10 ......

    .......Mind you, for you guys this engine is worth 25 cents because your cars are worth as much as this engine.
    "please don't take this wrong" and then you go on to insulted us... several times.

    there are a lot of things in this world that are not worth the money invested, for example an M10 and it's got nothing to do with us with being cheap "dried prunes."

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    Tom, really? If you think the M10 is crap...then I must say you have no understanding of how things work from an engineering perspective!

    Read this before you disregard an M10.

    https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1350137

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    i'd like to make a counterpoint about value.

    our cars and the hobby of these cars might be as you say, under valued, but that's because we play nice.

    sure we could get $1500 for a LSD or for a G245, but except for greed why would we? by doing so we would not be able to trade amongst ourselves and our hobby would become exclusive only for the well off, creating a market off limits to those that get into E21's because it is affordable.

    i have worked hard for many, many years to keep prices low. living 15 years in the central coast of california i had access to lots of different salvage yards. i kept a list of parts that i knew others needed, people P.M.'ed me for parts they were seeking. i would go and look at every E21 that showed up and salvage the parts needed. i would sell these parts to those in need, mostly for the cost of gasoline and the salvage price i paid. could i make a profit, double the expense to me? of course i could, but that would have made me greedy and at the cost of helping someone involved in the same hobby as me.

    but then like all good things, outsiders take notice of the undervalued market and with nothing more greed in their heart they jack up the cost of our fun.
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    I don't disagree with you on those words atall but you can't deny the fact that as years are passing these LSDs, Getrag 5 speeds and M10s are getting well used and worn, lost broken etc. Parts are not the price of 1985 anymore. To rebuild anything it costs twice as much and anyone who thinks there is no value on other peoples time is absolutely wrong.
    If you know all about M10 then you should also know how important they are to the 2002 crowd! Maybe not to you guys! The mechanic who works on my 2002ti has a 1959 Porsche 356 Cabriolet that he bought back in 1991 for $900. He told me he was throwing away 356 and 912 engines in the trash back in the 80s and even early 90s. Sometimes he would transplant them on VW buses. Now he is holding on to his 356 as retirement security as he slowly makes it showroom again.

    It's matter of time when the 2002s will hit atleast a $50k mark and all of a sudden your lousy M10s will be worth $5k. I know you will disagree as there are plenty of 320s and 2002s still running around for peanuts but so did the mechanic thought that there were endless 356s in the 80s and early 90s. Otherwise he wouldn't have scrapped a single engine like he did.

    All those aside, a high performance fully rebuilt M10 is worth $3500 any day! That is what I had and no one should be surprised I sold it for $2800. If you are surprised, you should wake up and eat some peanuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inka2002tii View Post
    .......you should wake up and eat some peanuts......
    again? why would you end a perfectly well debated point by concluding with a personal insult?
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    Same thing goes for e30s. The M42 powered 318i and 318is cars are way under appreciated. If you owned a 2002, a 320i and own a 318i after you know how special they are. But ask any e30 owner and they will say....what? e30s? Nah....$500 all day. M42s are dime a dozen....right? Just wait....those days will end..maybe not in 10 years...maybe it will take a 20 but it will happen. Those un appreciative e30 owners have no clue what they have because they never owned a 2002 or a 320i. Only then you will appreciate what a lovely motor the M42 is and what a well balanced car was the e30. It was a direct bridge between the classic and the modern.

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