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    Schapenwagen, The last chapter

    I'm always complaining how BFC is dead so I'm doing my part... for the 10 of you that still read this board.

    You can find the previous couple chapters of my builds on here. All with the same car. I could find them for you guys but apparently all of google has stopped indexing old bimmerforums posts..

    In continuing style I'll list where I was at and what I'm doing now. I'm doing this in part to be able to remember.

    FUN MODS to date

    • 22RPD 6Speed Trans kit
    • Billet clutch with twin 1000tq disks
    • Stainless trans brace
    • Stainless dust shield

    • 22RPD stock dme 1700cc Tune
    • 22RPD Turbo Manifold
    • PTE 6870 Hp cover 1.15 t4 divided exhaust
    • 3.5" exhaust Vibrant Big resonator and muffler
    • 4" Inlet piping with R2c big cone filter
    • Tr1235 intercooler
    • 282/273 cams
    • 9:1 87mm Je/Eagle motor
    • Cutring
    • 10mm ARP HSK, s54 MSK
    • Fuel system
    • twin 485LPH pumps
    • Aeromotive Big regulator
    • 1/2" stainless hardlines
    • Russell Filter
    • CAE Shifter (Modified Greatly)
    • ATI Damper


    Boring Mods to date:

    • Aluminum 3 row Radiator
    • Tck Sa 300#/400#
    • Vorshlag plates/Radial bearings
    • Jtd RSM
    • Fikse fm10's 9.5" square
    • 245F 255R 40 r18
    • Rally Road Gauge pods
    • AEM Wideband Failsafe
    • AEM TruBoost
    • UUC Braided Clutch Line
    • UUC Enforcer Transmounts
    • REVshift Engine Mounts
    • Rally Road High Engine Mount
    • POLY Diff, RTABS, and Lollipops
    • Custom Aluminum sub frame bushings
    • M50 Manifold
    • Stewart Water Pump


    Mods going in this build
    • Twin 515's now with an auxiliary 485
    • Custom AC Condenser Lines
    • Tr1245 (4.5" intercooler)
    • 22RPD intercooler brackets (Soon to be released)
    • New motor
      • s52 crank
      • ARP Main studs (Standard Kit)
      • 1/2" ARP Head studs
      • Integrated Engineering Rods
      • Paul Pistons 8.8:1 3L
      • Stainless Oring Block W/ Elring HG
      • CES Extreme port head (Jimmy's Old Head)
        • Now clearanced for 1/2" studs




    We planned to do this guy over the long weekend.. as is the normal now no time for my own cars.. We started tearing the car down Friday and it would be back together today but our ARP Nuts are held up in Wyoming, so tomorrow it will be back together.

    Pictures to come!
    Last edited by vollosso; 01-26-2019 at 11:12 PM.
    1989 535i - sold
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    PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53

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    ]What will displacement and compression ratio be in new motor?

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    1989 535i - sold
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    PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53

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    Looking forward to seeing some pictures. Do you have any good sound clips of your exhaust by chance?


    -sold...replaced by turbo e36

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    What happened to the87mm bore motor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonsalb View Post
    What happened to the87mm bore motor?
    We池e kind of in the middle of going through it.

    At this time we are of the belief that we lifted the head, hydro locked the cylinder which blew the cylinder walls out on both sides, then it looks like the piston grabbed the wall and stretched the rod in half. I知 talking with the component manufacturers now trying to work through it, I値l post pictures eventually. Trying to drop this motor in tonight!


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    Quote Originally Posted by beeasy View Post
    Looking forward to seeing some pictures. Do you have any good sound clips of your exhaust by chance?
    The dyno videos from a while back should give you an idea of the sound


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    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post


    • 22RPD intercooler brackets (Soon to be released)
    Curious to see these!! I might need a set.

    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post

    • Paul Pistons 9.2:1 3L
    Que?

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    Schapenwagen, The last chapter

    Quote Originally Posted by jakermac View Post
    Curious to see these!! I might need a set.

    Que?
    New old stock Burke痴 . I actually think they are 8.8:1 now that I'm not in the garage.

    The brackets will be nice stainless, 20 ga, CNC bent. With an AC line kit they will fit easily a 4.5" intercooler or without the ac line kit easily 3.5". Probably could push both of those 0.5" wider if you really got into the crash bar.
    Last edited by vollosso; 01-23-2019 at 12:19 PM.
    1989 535i - sold
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    PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53

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    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post
    I'm always complaining how BFC is dead so I'm doing my part... for the 10 of you that still read this board.
    Thank you for that.

    I enjoy reading your posts.

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    This is good, excited tovsee what she does all turnt up.

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    Woo lets see it eat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEI330Ci View Post
    Thank you for that.

    I enjoy reading your posts.
    As I do yours!


    Quote Originally Posted by E36 HateR View Post
    This is good, excited tovsee what she does all turnt up.
    I知 hoping it値l get towards 1200whp but we might be out of turbo. I知 just excited to run it again.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mklock View Post
    Woo lets see it eat!
    Exactly!


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    PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53

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    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post
    I’m hoping it’ll get towards 1200whp but we might be out of turbo. I’m just excited to run it again.
    Kenton tried with his S54 to break 1000rwhp, but had a really hard time above 26 PSI. It seemed like the engine got to a point where it took more power to drive the turbo, than the airflow off the edge of the map was able to provide back into the engine. Backpressure went up pretty fast above 26 PSI manifold pressure.

    I know of another S54 engine running a 6870 that is on it's 3rd turbo "trying" to make over 1000rwhp. I'm speculating that the failures were related to over-spinning the turbo, but I don't know for certain. (Nor does the owner)

    The only thing I can think of to help the situation would be to run an even bigger turbine housing....or maybe look at the new G42 Turbo from Garrett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEI330Ci View Post
    Kenton tried with his S54 to break 1000rwhp, but had a really hard time above 26 PSI. It seemed like the engine got to a point where it took more power to drive the turbo, than the airflow off the edge of the map was able to provide back into the engine. Backpressure went up pretty fast above 26 PSI manifold pressure.

    I know of another S54 engine running a 6870 that is on it's 3rd turbo "trying" to make over 1000rwhp. I'm speculating that the failures were related to over-spinning the turbo, but I don't know for certain. (Nor does the owner)

    The only thing I can think of to help the situation would be to run an even bigger turbine housing....or maybe look at the new G42 Turbo from Garrett.
    I am of course assuming you are using the 6870 which the "cover" is listed on your hardware. If you are using a different turbo...I'm clogging up your thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEI330Ci View Post
    I am of course assuming you are using the 6870 which the "cover" is listed on your hardware. If you are using a different turbo...I'm clogging up your thread!
    Shoot I missed your replies!

    Yes, I知 using a 6870 hp-cover with 1.15ar t4 divided exhaust. I haven稚 seen anyone push this housing and a proper manifold. Lots of 0.8x opens and a few 1.0 divided. Both similar in volume really.

    It has a nice 4 inlet, proper filter, good manifold. It値l definitely crack 1000whp. It did 996whp at 5500 last time.

    I was looking at the g42 for similar reasons, but this is it for me. 6870 is more than enough turbo.

    - onto a few updates. Sorry this is pretty sparse but we are so limited on time right now.

    So we finally got the proper nuts from arp on Thursday. Assembled the motor that night. Takes a while when you池e fully disassembling everything and cleaning it.

    125ftlbs on the head studs!


    10mm vs 1/2


    Yesterday we finished the assembly, made up some new feed and drain lines, attached the trans (boy is the gs6 a monster), and installed it!



    Ran into a few issues, we grabbed a new Bosch 140, and it was the rear nut Type, instead of being threaded, and I cut up two bolts and welded them together, quickly. 30 minutes later the head shot off and across the shop! Ground and rewelded it with more penetration and did the same thing!!! Wild.

    Going to have to grab a few bolts and a plug for the head today.

    Going to work up a new m50 manifold, clean up some of the vacuum routing. The car has been revised so many times they need to be cleaned up.

    Got a new tstat, housing and hoses. This is really the most cleaned up the car has been!



    I did get the custom Ac lines back.You guys won稚 believe how expensive they were.... but it痴 done and we can finally remove those awful oem lines.

    And finally I知 updating my boost reference lines, they were 1/8 hardlines and I really feel it was hurting my low boost threshold. I could regulate down to 21/22psi. I was running two gates off a single 1/8 line. Going with some new 1/4 aluminum tube.


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    This might sound like an odd question, but how are you clearanc'ing the head gasket for the larger head studs.

    When I went from 10mm to 11mm studs, I had a really hard time with fitting the head gasket over the studs...a 12.7mm stud is going to need a big hole.

    Secondly, are you completely removing the alignment dowels on the head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEI330Ci View Post
    This might sound like an odd question, but how are you clearanc'ing the head gasket for the larger head studs.

    When I went from 10mm to 11mm studs, I had a really hard time with fitting the head gasket over the studs...a 12.7mm stud is going to need a big hole.

    Secondly, are you completely removing the alignment dowels on the head?
    I cut a set of custom dowels.

    I used a sharp drillbit. It didn稚 go great. Got the job done but I had to do a ton of post work.


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    PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53

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    I'm glad you're keeping the forums alive. Better than Facebook groups in my opinion.

    So for 1/2 head studs you also have to drill the head stud holes bigger right? Do you have to machine custom washers as well?

    Keep up the good work!

    -WTB: OEM Class 2 LTW GT wing with risers- Mazak

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3literheater View Post
    I'm glad you're keeping the forums alive. Better than Facebook groups in my opinion.

    So for 1/2 head studs you also have to drill the head stud holes bigger right? Do you have to machine custom washers as well?

    Keep up the good work!
    The 1/2 arp washers fit. Barely.

    There are a few more things we have to machine.

    The head stud holes all need to be clearanced for the stud. There are a couple stud holes that need extra clearance for oil passage to the cams. And finally the two dowels need to be cut.

    I did all of this manually myself. Quite stressful.


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    PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53

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    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post
    I cut a set of custom dowels.

    I used a sharp drillbit. It didn’t go great. Got the job done but I had to do a ton of post work.
    So it's a challenge then!

    One idea I had was to lay the gasket onto the top of a piece of plywood, and then clamp it down with my torque plate. The bolt holes would be a good drill bit guide....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEI330Ci View Post
    So it's a challenge then!

    One idea I had was to lay the gasket onto the top of a piece of plywood, and then clamp it down with my torque plate. The bolt holes would be a good drill bit guide....
    When I still ran an MLS and before I discovered that Cometic will make you any bolt hole size up to 14mm, this was the method recommended to me by machine shops:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le9Y7BJ0cnc

    But for the cut ring, my friend machined me a punch of sorts. It just has the single layer of tin and strikes through pretty well. But I'll probably just use the clamp method if I have to get another cutring.

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    Could you use this to cut the gasket?

    https://www.harborfreight.com/9-piec...set-95547.html

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