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    Quote Originally Posted by burninator View Post
    So if Kimi were the consistently faster driver, and they then put him on the lead driver strategy, he would win more races? I guess that does make some sense.


    I love Kimi. Kimi is a fast driver. To say that he is as fast or faster than Vettel consistently ​is disingenuous at best.
    Kimi seems to be the more consistent driver this year, save for pit stop ups. With the lead driver strategy in his favor I do believe he'd have performed better. Vettel seems mentally weak this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan M3 View Post
    If Ferrari put Kimi on Vettel's strategy I have little doubt that he'd have nearly as many wins as Vettel.

    Right now the biggest things holding Ferrari back is their terrible strategy team that seems incapable of making adjustments, and Vettel's own mistakes.
    Where did Kimi finish at Monza?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan M3 View Post
    Kimi seems to be the more consistent driver this year, save for pit stop ups. With the lead driver strategy in his favor I do believe he'd have performed better. Vettel seems mentally weak this year.
    Yeah dude, five wins vs. zero for the season (or the last five seasons, for that matter) is pretty weak
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmonkey View Post
    Where did Kimi finish at Monza?
    About 3 spots ahead of his teammate in 2nd I do believe, after his tires were absolutely destroyed
    Not much you can do about that, Ferrari monitors these things and made their decisions when and when not to pit. Weren't Hamilton's tires were something 10-12 laps newer when they crossed the finish line? Inexcusable.

    ** Edit, Hamilton's tires were 8 laps newer and he finished 8.7 seconds ahead of Kimi, with Kimi's tires looking like this.

    rkk57forsvj11.jpg


    Quote Originally Posted by burninator View Post
    Yeah dude, five wins vs. zero for the season (or the last five seasons, for that matter) is pretty weak
    Again, when one teammate is on a strategy to NOT take first, what can we expect? Again I'm not saying he's better than Vettel, but this year he's been very consistent and hasn't been making the blunders Vettel has.
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    Why would Kimi be on the lead strategy if he is consistently out qualified by Vettel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burninator View Post
    Why would Kimi be on the lead strategy if he is consistently out qualified by Vettel?
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    I've never made the argument that Kimi is faster or the better driver today, simply that he's been very consistent and hasn't thrown races away like Vettel has this year.

    My statements have been based in a hypothetical "what if" they put Kimi on the lead strategy. There have been instances this year where Kimi was asked to move over for Vettel, or where he's shown great pace and was on the lesser strategy, or was tasked with providing a tow for Vettel in qualifying (which they apparently swap each Qualifying according to Vettel, but still upset Vettel when he provided the tow to Kimi at Monza indicating that that may not be 100% truth).



    My statements here started with my belief that Kimi is still competitive and deserving of his Ferrari seat. I'm excited to see what Leclerc can do, but I think he would have benefited from either another year at Sauber or an upgrade to the Haas seat to replace Grosjean.
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    Kimi is not on the lead strategy because Vettel consistently qualifies ahead of him and because he scores more points. Sure, Kimi is still competitive, and I don’t see anyone debating that. Vettel has a better chance of winning the WDC this year and has for some time, which is why he is the lead driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burninator View Post
    Kimi is not on the lead strategy because Vettel consistently qualifies ahead of him and because he scores more points. Sure, Kimi is still competitive, and I don’t see anyone debating that. Vettel has a better chance of winning the WDC this year and has for some time, which is why he is the lead driver.
    All of my statements kind of stemmed from the quote below. I understand why Kimi is the #2, I would just like to see what the guy is capable of as a #1 driver in the #1 car this year.

    Quote Originally Posted by badmonkey View Post
    Kimi hasn’t been competitive in several years. He should’ve blocked Ham and let Vettel through to run away from the field.


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    No doubt Kimi has been driving for money for the past 10 years.

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    Ryan, they have to be trolling at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakentt View Post
    No doubt Kimi has been driving for money for the past 10 years.
    With the exception of Stroll and Ericsson, aren't they all?

    Quote Originally Posted by ELVA164 View Post
    Ryan, they have to be trolling at this point.
    It's always hard to tell, sometimes all it takes is missing a word or two for an entire conversation to get derailed or misconstrued. I spend a lot of time typing/browsing when I should be sleeping, so instead of a well thought out statement it comes out half-baked and nearly incoherent


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan M3 View Post


    It's always hard to tell, sometimes all it takes is missing a word or two for an entire conversation to get derailed or misconstrued. I spend a lot of time typing/browsing when I should be sleeping, so instead of a well thought out statement it comes out half-baked and nearly incoherent
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVA164 View Post
    We've told you before: lay off the department contraband
    I've been trying....


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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVA164 View Post
    Ryan, they have to be trolling at this point.
    Who is trolling?

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    So Kimi should get lead strategy while running 4th or 5th and VET is 2nd. Best case he gains a position, but still behind VET. Yes, VET will be ok with that, lmao. And why the hell would you disadvantage the driver who is ahead?

    The contraband is strong with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VĒmp View Post
    So Kimi should get lead strategy while running 4th or 5th and VET is 2nd. Best case he gains a position, but still behind VET. Yes, VET will be ok with that, lmao. And why the hell would you disadvantage the driver who is ahead?

    The contraband is strong with this one.
    Holy crap, vamp and I agree on something

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    Quote Originally Posted by burninator View Post
    Holy crap, vamp and I agree on something
    well sometimes our paths do converge.

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    Ryan was speaking in hypotheticals, irrespective of the current Championship standings. His argument is Kimi would be farther up than he currently is if he was given the favor Vettel enjoys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VĒmp View Post
    Kimi is not in his prime anymore. His qualy and race pace is poor and he may show up maybe once or twice a season. Only his WDC status makes him relevant. He shoudve retired.
    In his prime? No. Uncompetitive? Please.

    I'm pleased to Kimi still on the grid the few times I'll bother to watch, when there isn't a good Three Stooges episode being re-run at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVA164 View Post
    Ryan was speaking in hypotheticals, irrespective of the current Championship standings. His argument is Kimi would be farther up than he currently is if he was given the favor Vettel enjoys.
    And we are saying that there are obvious reasons why he does not enjoy that favor that make the hypotheticals irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxxxxx View Post
    Wonder when Mick might be making his way into F1.

    2020? 2021 with the new cars?
    There's an up and coming Irish driver?
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