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    Today quite busy. Just planned some manypulation for tomorrow. For now i have 2 options to go to identify whether it is injectors or any other things. So,
    1. Will bolt on stock ECU and injectors and check afr.
    2. Check wastgate valve. If it is opened position it also can affect on afr.
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    We found a problem with afr. It was due to gasket leak on headers. Now, we decided to change 2jz coils to Audi coils. Now we have a problem. Audi coils do not work at all. We manged to find only one type of audi coil working with F series.

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    20180929_190359-600x1067.jpgthis one is not working.

    20180929_190410-600x1067.jpgthis one is working.

    Gents, could you please share wiring for 1st coil if you have.
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    The only pinout I have shows

    Pin1- 12v power
    Pin2- Ground
    Pin3- Spark out from ECU
    Pin4- Ground


    There was a couple input impedance differences between the early and later coils. Depending on the controller you're using this can make a difference for current through the circuit and the ecu won't be able to trigger them.

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    Wiring is the same for all VW/Audi coils... so above is correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin325i View Post
    The only pinout I have shows

    Pin1- 12v power
    Pin2- Ground
    Pin3- Spark out from ECU
    Pin4- Ground


    There was a couple input impedance differences between the early and later coils. Depending on the controller you're using this can make a difference for current through the circuit and the ecu won't be able to trigger them.

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    Thaks bro. But, why f series of coil works but E & L series do not. May be due to we did not connect pin #4. E & L series coils do not work. F series works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    Wiring is the same for all VW/Audi coils... so above is correct
    Thaks for clarification.

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    Also, look at video. Here 2 different sparks hot conventional bosch and cold ngk 7.


    Hot bosch gives more ignition that ngk 7. Perhaps ngk starts work properly when it works in high tepmpereture.
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    Check resistance between pins 2 and 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin325i View Post
    Check resistance between pins 2 and 3
    Why? I meant what i will see? What it gives me? What should i look for during checking?
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    For me looks like there will be different resistance. Is not it?
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    Well I'm assuming you've verified that you have a signal at all the coil connectors. Or at the very least you've plugged the working coil into all 8 and checked for spark.

    So the coils have a different resistance value through the driver circuit and you may not have enough current capability in your ecu to close the gate. I would like you to check resistance between pins 2 and 3 on the working and non working coils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin325i View Post
    Well I'm assuming you've verified that you have a signal at all the coil connectors. Or at the very least you've plugged the working coil into all 8 and checked for spark.

    So the coils have a different resistance value through the driver circuit and you may not have enough current capability in your ecu to close the gate. I would like you to check resistance between pins 2 and 3 on the working and non working coils.
    Ok. I will check it today. Also, do you know what is the voltage should be enter to pin#3? Is that 5v or 12v? In my standalone it 5v. Is megasquirt spark outputs also 5v? Or 12?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dovlet View Post
    Thaks bro. But, why f series of coil works but E & L series do not. May be due to we did not connect pin #4. E & L series coils do not work. F series works.
    You need a STRONG 12V signal to fire most of these VAG COP's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin325i View Post
    There was a couple input impedance differences between the early and later coils. Depending on the controller you're using this can make a difference for current through the circuit and the ecu won't be able to trigger them.

    214.jpeg
    This very clearly states that some VAG COP's need strong signal to fire, including L&R versions. I dunno about the E and F thing but I can confirm that VAG part number revisions are not always as alphabetically sequential as you would expect on face value. i.e. Dont just assume that all letters A-F are high impedance then starting w/ "G" or "H" or "K" or whatever they were all low impedance. There are plenty of examples where a later rev letter of a part is more like an early part and not the ones right next to it in the alphabet. So maybe indeed E's could be low impedance.

    Also - Kevin is trying to make this point I think already - but don't fall into the laymans "voltage is all that you measure electricity by" mistake. The CURRENT capability to drive the coil is as or more important than the voltage. That's something that is harder to measure.
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    Thanks gents for your support. Today we played a bit on program prior to check again coils. We made some correction on ignition data. We solved all our problems with shaking of engine and decided to stay with 2jz coils. Opened headers and played with cam shafts. Set them close to center. Today we dove the car about 30% throttle and had 0.33 bar. When wastgate opened i thought that my engine blew a piston. After i remembered that my wastegate connected to atmospher.

    Tomorrow i plan to drive and tune my car on 100% throttle. Hope wastegate will not allow my turbo increase pressure more than 0.5 bar = 7psi and engine could hold it.

    One more time, many thanks gents for your support.
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    Gents, today we started tests. Now i can say for 100%. I am in love with turbo engine. It is ammaizing and i cannot explain you all my fillings. Will keep you updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dovlet View Post
    It is ammaizing and i cannot explain you all my fillings.
    I hear that from the ladies every time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    I hear that from the ladies every time...
    Like when you make your mom a birthday card?


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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    I hear that from the ladies every time...
    My reply as per someguy2800 above)))))
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    Quote Originally Posted by someguy2800 View Post
    Like when you make your mom a birthday card?
    “Like that but urmom, and b-day suits. “ bumpzing.

    You’ve been a great crowd, dont forget to tip your waitresses folks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    “Like that but urmom, and b-day suits. “ bumpzing.

    You’ve been a great crowd, dont forget to tip your waitresses folks...
    For me too difficult to understand your slangs when you are jogging. Bad thing I am not a native English speaker.
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    Of course. Totally understandable.

    That joke was 1. Implying that I do things w someguys mom, and 2. Acting like I was a stand up comedian , and the real meaning of that 2nd joke is that they are BAD jokes, like a really bad comedian would tell, then get booed off atage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    Of course. Totally understandable.

    That joke was 1. Implying that I do things w someguys mom, and 2. Acting like I was a stand up comedian , and the real meaning of that 2nd joke is that they are BAD jokes, like a really bad comedian would tell, then get booed off atage.
    Catched, thanks to google translite :-D
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    Step by step building maps in different bust and throttle position.
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    So, car is ready to daily drive. We have about 0.2 bar of boost in 2nd gear full throttle. 0.4 bar maximum in 4th and 5th gear on 3000rpm. When car over 3500rpm boost is falling down up to 0.3 bar. We run it on weakest spring on wastgate. Also, we are planning to to instal solenoid to let ECU control the boost.

    PS. All of us seen move FAST & FURIES, after running turbo engine you start understand all noises from engine on that move.... you know what i meant ;-)
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    Hi everyone, so far boost is maximum 0.4bar on 2500rpm. Then falling down to 0.2bar. So far no knocking. What do you think normal rpm? 7000?
    Also, planning to go soon to 05bar on 7000rpm by using wastegate controller on Standalone.
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