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    E36 m60b40 HX40 v8 Turbo on going

    My car is e36 with next mods:
    1. Engine v8 m60b44.
    2. Holset hx40.
    3. Ecu invent.
    4. Audi rs6 coils with cold spark plugs NGK.
    5. AFR AEM.
    6. Intercooler GREDDY.
    7. EGT
    8. K&N filter
    9. Aem fuel pump
    10. 330cc injectors
    11. Etc etc etc

    All wiring almost done and soon first run. Also, i have water to air intercooler which i can instal here. Now, we planning to start with 5-7psi. With 4.4l engine hope i can achieve about 400whp. My goal is safety and something about 12-13sec 402m or 9sec 100-200kmh. Any recommendations or advises from you will be appreciated.
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    e39 540i 6speed Supercharged, M-technicsa, Alpina forger wheels, M62 air intake, No cats, AEM fuel pump 320lh, Water methanol injection (only water injecting), 330cc injectors, 3.15LSD, Afr, Egt, Boost gauge, M62 Air intake. TTFS tuning coming SOON for 9 psi 450RWHP.

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    Looks good. Watch out that you dont run out of injector capacity with those 330cc ones.

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    AND do your best to heat shield that exhaust housing. Looks like trouble already.

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    We calculated it, looks like it has the ability to give about 430WHP. If I will be out of injectors specs, then will add additional injector or change to bigger one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerKraut View Post
    Looks good. Watch out that you dont run out of injector capacity with those 330cc ones.
    We calculated it, looks like it has the ability to give about 430WHP. If I will be out of injectors specs, then will add additional injector or change to bigger one.
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    AND do your best to heat shield that exhaust housing. Looks like trouble already.
    What does it mean, can you please explain with more details bro, I am not English native.
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    Watch out that your turbo does not burn and melt your wiring not a native speaker either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerKraut View Post
    Watch out that your turbo does not burn and melt your wiring not a native speaker either.
    Catched, that is just prestarting wiring and soon there will be no any wirings.
    We just burnt coil drivers on ecu. To run bmw coils we had to put additional drivers, but when we purchased ecu, seller said that we do not need those drivers. Now we know he was lying.
    e39 540i 6speed Supercharged, M-technicsa, Alpina forger wheels, M62 air intake, No cats, AEM fuel pump 320lh, Water methanol injection (only water injecting), 330cc injectors, 3.15LSD, Afr, Egt, Boost gauge, M62 Air intake. TTFS tuning coming SOON for 9 psi 450RWHP.

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    Today we trying to adjust starting point from 1st cylinder. Hope soon we will be able to drive.
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    e39 540i 6speed Supercharged, M-technicsa, Alpina forger wheels, M62 air intake, No cats, AEM fuel pump 320lh, Water methanol injection (only water injecting), 330cc injectors, 3.15LSD, Afr, Egt, Boost gauge, M62 Air intake. TTFS tuning coming SOON for 9 psi 450RWHP.

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    Creative turbo placement. I would recommend you put a turbo blanket on and maybe also a vent in the hood.


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    Yes bro, i prepared special cover for it. If it will not protect, then i will consider blanket.
    Yesterday we tried find ignition point on first cylinder. Something went wrong. Trobascope does not flash in point where it should.
    e39 540i 6speed Supercharged, M-technicsa, Alpina forger wheels, M62 air intake, No cats, AEM fuel pump 320lh, Water methanol injection (only water injecting), 330cc injectors, 3.15LSD, Afr, Egt, Boost gauge, M62 Air intake. TTFS tuning coming SOON for 9 psi 450RWHP.

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    Today we managed finally run engine first time.
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    Some new photos.
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    Currently working on AFR and trying to work engine work smooth. AFR is 17. Engine works and soon will go for tests on road due we have no dynostand.
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    We made house keeping and put all wires in place. Couple of days and we ready to onlinetuning.

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    e39 540i 6speed Supercharged, M-technicsa, Alpina forger wheels, M62 air intake, No cats, AEM fuel pump 320lh, Water methanol injection (only water injecting), 330cc injectors, 3.15LSD, Afr, Egt, Boost gauge, M62 Air intake. TTFS tuning coming SOON for 9 psi 450RWHP.

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    Gents, i have a problem. When i instal afr 14.7 car is working with shaking. When i put afr 12 the engine works smooth. Both headers goes to turbine then there is installed afr after 25 sm.
    Any idea?
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    Here is attached my coils and its program data. We think that we give wrong numbers. If someone knows what numbers should be in inductance-resistance-peak current, i will appreciate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dovlet View Post
    Gents, i have a problem. When i instal afr 14.7 car is working with shaking. When i put afr 12 the engine works smooth. Both headers goes to turbine then there is installed afr after 25 sm.
    Any idea?
    Do you have an air leak before the turbine? Can you recalibrate the sensor? If it doesn’t want to run at 14:1 then most likely the sensor is not reading correctly. Have you driven it? How does it react to different AFR when driving under light throttle?


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    Quote Originally Posted by someguy2800 View Post
    Do you have an air leak before the turbine? Can you recalibrate the sensor? If it doesn’t want to run at 14:1 then most likely the sensor is not reading correctly. Have you driven it? How does it react to different AFR when driving under light throttle?
    Bro, we do not have any air leak. I did not know that AEM AFR should be colibrated. How shall i do that collibration? We did not run yet. Just 20m. When we put afr 12 it works very smooth. Today we will try put different afr aem sensor.
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    Dover: Usually there's a procedure to calibrate the WBO2 with the software/device that you're using, should be explained in the documentation. Basically normally its something to the effect of "put the sensor in free air, click the WBO2 calibrate button / menu choice / command".
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    Dover: Usually there's a procedure to calibrate the WBO2 with the software/device that you're using, should be explained in the documentation. Basically normally its something to the effect of "put the sensor in free air, click the WBO2 calibrate button / menu choice / command".
    Today i will do it. But, aem is saying do not need to do any colibration for 4.9LSU. Thanks man, will try
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    Well in theory brand new sensors are tested and calibrated from the factory, so you wouldn't need to re-cal until the sensor is aging. Theory doesn't always match reality tho... if the software has the function it might be worth doing anyway.
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    Dove, when you say "you put AFR to 12" do you mean that's the fuel quantities you're specifying in the open loop base injection tables? Or do you mean the gauge is reading 12:1? What is your gauge reading in Lambda (I assume you can change to lambda display?)

    It could very well be that your fuel needs to run richer than ideal pump gas AFR's (aka 14.7:1) to run OK. But in Lambda your target is still going to be 1.

    For those who are new to Dovlets party - his gas can often be questionable. Wouldn't be out of question for it to have some solvents or other distillates snuck into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    Dove, when you say "you put AFR to 12" do you mean that's the fuel quantities you're specifying in the open loop base injection tables? Or do you mean the gauge is reading 12:1? What is your gauge reading in Lambda (I assume you can change to lambda display?)

    It could very well be that your fuel needs to run richer than ideal pump gas AFR's (aka 14.7:1) to run OK. But in Lambda your target is still going to be 1.

    For those who are new to Dovlets party - his gas can often be questionable. Wouldn't be out of question for it to have some solvents or other distillates snuck into it.
    I meant afr numbers, i can put my standalone to auto mode, then it keeps injectors in position to supply 14.7 oxygen to 1 gas. If i put 12:1 then opening time for injectors increasing. Now i have engine smooth with 12 oxygen to 1gas. I have no lambda.

    Yes, gas is still a problem)))
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    Quote Originally Posted by geargrinder View Post
    Well in theory brand new sensors are tested and calibrated from the factory, so you wouldn't need to re-cal until the sensor is aging. Theory doesn't always match reality tho... if the software has the function it might be worth doing anyway.
    There is no free-air cal. on AEM units... it's done by the cal. resistor on the O2 sensor.

    As for running smoother at a lower AFR... that is pretty normal if the car isn't well tuned. With zero information being provided it's impossible to tell what is actually the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    There is no free-air cal. on AEM units... it's done by the cal. resistor on the O2 sensor.

    As for running smoother at a lower AFR... that is pretty normal if the car isn't well tuned. With zero information being provided it's impossible to tell what is actually the cause.
    I can give any specific info, just let me know exactly you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dovlet View Post
    I can give any specific info, just let me know exactly you want.
    I detailed log from the ECU would be a good place to start. Maybe even a video showing the difference between lambda 1 and say 0.85 lambda (12.4 AFR)

    Also are you reading the AFR directly from the gauge or from the ECU (via analog output of gauge via input to ECU)? if reading from ECU, please remember that ground for AEM gauge needs to be connected to ECU sensor ground to make sure there is no (ground) offset present!!
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    if u had the 14point7 wideband you can calculate the grounding offset out.
    just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    I detailed log from the ECU would be a good place to start. Maybe even a video showing the difference between lambda 1 and say 0.85 lambda (12.4 AFR)

    Also are you reading the AFR directly from the gauge or from the ECU (via analog output of gauge via input to ECU)? if reading from ECU, please remember that ground for AEM gauge needs to be connected to ECU sensor ground to make sure there is no (ground) offset present!!
    Aem grounded to cat itself. We are monitoring both, aem gauge and ecu data in lap top. Both of them are same. You still wants me to reground my ground to ecu?

    Logs will be provided soon.
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