My 3rd gear synchro is just about toast, lots of high RPM board shifting has taken its toll. I've been contemplating a dog box - but there's not much for options if I want overdrive (which I most certainly do). Seeing as I've never actually felt what a brand new 420G even feels like, I could only imagine it's amazing, so maybe the Diffsonline 420G is all that I need. Does anyone run one?
Not what you're asking but a cool option to consider would be a dog box T56 from GForce - they will make the first 4 gears dog engagement and 5/6 synchronized, so you kinda get the best of both worlds. And quicktime now makes a bellhousing to fit a T56 to an M50.
https://www.jegs.com/p/Quick-Time-Be...16244/10002/-1
We also are offering gs6-53 swaps.
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1989 535i - sold
1999 M3 Tiag/Dove - sold
1998 M3 Turbo Arctic/black - current
2004 Built motor TiAg/Black - Sold
2008 E61 19T Turbo-Wagon - current
2011 E82 135i - S85 Swap - current
1998 M3 Cosmos S54 swapped Sedan - current
1998 Turbo: PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53
420G is rated at only 420 NM (310 lbs) torque while a GS6-53 is rated at 530 NM (390 lbs) and BMW put it behind the turbo V8 F10 M5 that made 502 lbs torque so it is somewhat officially under rated. The GS6-53 is the stronger and better shifting trans. I signed up for one if Vollosso’s conversion kits.
But a trans like the T56 Magnum is even heavier duty — rated at 700 lbs. It would be a more expensive conversion since you can’t find used Magnums and new ones are $3200 plus $900 for the bell housing and you will still need a flywheel, clutch, driveshaft, support brace, and probably a short diff (3.62 - 3.85?) due to the trans gear ratios.
I have the S6-53 in my E92 - I don't like it. It does not like high-rpm shifts at all. I've yet to meet a ZF trans that I've liked. The G-Force T56 is actually the only other option I am seriously considering because this is behind an LS already, but I never really hear anything good about a T56 - it's just what everyone uses because there really isn't any other option. Besides, with a new flywheel, clutch, slave, driveshaft etc etc, the G-Force box is gonna be more than the 420G.
1989 535i - sold
1999 M3 Tiag/Dove - sold
1998 M3 Turbo Arctic/black - current
2004 Built motor TiAg/Black - Sold
2008 E61 19T Turbo-Wagon - current
2011 E82 135i - S85 Swap - current
1998 M3 Cosmos S54 swapped Sedan - current
1998 Turbo: PTE6870 | 1.15 ar | Hp Cover, Custom Divided T4 bottom-mount, 3.5" SS exhaust, Dual Turbosmart Compgates, Turbosmart Raceport BOV, 3.5" Treadstone Intercooler, 3.5" Vibrant resonator and muffler, Arp 2k Headstuds | Arp 2k Main studs | 87mm Je pistons | Eagle rods | 9.2:1 static compression, Ces 87mm cutring, Custom solid rear subframe bushings, Akg 85d diff bushings, 4 clutch 3.15 diff, , Poly engine mounts, UUC trans mounts W/ enforcers, 22RPD OBD2 Stock ECU id1700 E85 tune, 22RPD Big power Transmission swap w/ GS6-53
I have the GS6-53 in my 08 E90 M3 and like it and it shifts fine at 8500 rpm. No clutch delay valve on the E9x M3 and it has a factory twin disk clutch. 335i may be different. If money and time were no object, I would lean towards the Magnum conversion but probably not a GForce dog box one for my street use.
Last edited by pbonsalb; 05-25-2018 at 04:53 PM.
So no one has the diffsonline 420g?
$5000 is expensive for a trans, so it is probably a slow seller and none of the few buyers are active here right now. Rumor is it’s the same one Turner sells, but I don’t think there are any reviews there, either:
https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-3...46-m3/?pdk=AQE
It has to be better than a 12-17 year old stock one. There was a guy selling rebuilt cyro treated ZF320 here. One guy spent the money to buy it and blew it up on his first event, but he had a very high power turbo E36M3. Hopefully this 420G rebuild addresses whatever issues you are having with 420Gs. Call Dan to ask.
Last edited by pbonsalb; 05-26-2018 at 07:36 AM.
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