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Thread: 2-1/2 Years and I’m still trying to solve my 1984 '33 Series Problem (Long Post)

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    2-1/2 Years and I’m still trying to solve my 1984 '33 Series Problem (Long Post)

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    533 and 633 should be the same. (apologies to moderator for posting on theother boards . . . . I'm desperate!)


    Yes,I have posted about this before but I have done more work and tried tosummarize more accurately.

    Ihave owned this car for many years. It was runningwell. I was driving in town.It was idling OK at a stop light. When the light changed I had to accelerate in second gear to merge into a lane. The light ahead changed and I had to lift off suddenly and get on the brakes to stop.When I stopped the car almost stalled.It was running extremely rough, would hardly idle and would not accelerate. I was able to limp home in first gear.
    Ihave worked on this problem on and off for over 2-1/2 years and have not been able to resolve it!

    It starts OK but idles very rough:

    Itis running way too rich at idle. It will eventually stall. All 6 spark plugs are black and wet.

    It is possible to speed up the engine by manipulating the gas pedal. Between about1800 and 2200 RPM with a light load, it runs smooth and if you run it like thatfor a few minutes, shut it off and remove the spark plugs they are clean and dry.

    You can drive it in the neighborhood with difficulty,with a light foot on the gas and holding it in first. Once the RPMs reach about 2000 it runs OK and can be accelerated and decelerated a little, sounds normal but if you lift off the gas, the exhaust pops and crackles on the overrun which is not normal.

    The fuel delivery is not adjusting for some reason:

    - Too rich at idle, low speed and light load.

    - About right between 1800 and 2200 RPM and light load.

    - Misfires at higher RPM and heavier load – My guess it’s too lean under these conditions.

    -Problem is about the same hot or cold.

    -Compression test. All in spec per Bentley.

    -Eliminated vacuum leaks. (Smoke test). No difference.

    -Problem the same, with or without a foot on the brake.

    - Replaced fuel pressure regulator with OEM years ago, still looks new,not many miles on it.
    Fuel pressure is normal at idle per Bentley, (gauge at fuel rail). Return is not blocked.

    -Disconnected fuel to cold start injector. No change except hard to start when cold.

    -Changed out idle control valve with aftermarket ICV (metal with an adjusting screw, original
    VDOis plastic with no screw). Has 12V at connector, clicks when you apply 12V but doesn't
    “hum”or “vibrate.” Does not change the idle, connected or not connected, new ICV or old ICV.

    -Changed out thermo time switch and temperature sensors*
    (*ECU sensor new, others not new, all checked per Bentley)

    -Changed out idle control module behind glove compartment. If the ICM is connected the car
    starts and idles badly. If you disconnect it, it won't idle at all.

    -Checked TPS. Good according to Bentley.

    -Removed exhaust system. No difference, just loud.

    - I replaced AFM with new one probably over 10 years ago but only about 20K on it. Still looks new.
    TestedAFM (Bosch 9V battery test). Voltage changes smoothly when door/flap is opened and closed.

    -Visually inspected DME (Seimens): All harness connections and chip connection clean and DME looks fine inside. Tiny fuse is OK, reinstalled with DeOxit on the connections.

    - Changed out the ECU (Bosch), I have an identical spare, NOS and never been driven on the road. No difference.
    I have not checked the pin connections to the ECU for continuity according to Bentley and I need to do that.

    - I have checked every electrical connection I can think of and re-connected with DeOxit, nothing looks corroded,in fact it looks pretty good considering its age.

    Finally,here are a couple of things that may be clues:

    1. Youtube video of idle here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoTyLaXVbHE
    This is idling, foot off gas pedal.
    Note "swinging pendulum" vacuum gauge.


    2. Like most old E23s, mine leaks when it rains. We have had several weeks of warm dry weather and the interior of the car has finally dried out. It
    seems to run better. Not running right, but better, a little more drivable, I was able to drive it around the neighborhood this week for the first time in 2
    years.

    Has anyone encountered a similar problem with moisture in the car?

    Does a
    nyone near Coastal North Carolina have a parts car that runs, and would consider swapping out some parts such as AFM and FPR? I’m prepared to pay fair price for used parts or work out some agreement but I’m reluctant to throw money and new parts at this without any idea what the problem is.

    Thank you for your patience reading this long, complicated post. All help is much appreciated! John Kenneth

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    Pretty strange looking at the history. Any smoke of any color? Have you done a leak down test?
    Have you posted at MyE28.com?

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