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    Well I guess it's about time to make a build thread. I've haven't been too active lately as I've had other priorities but for those who don't know about 9 months ago I finally had a bottom end failure (stock m52 internals). I had around 15k miles on my gt35r setup and could have probably had many more but I accidentally pinched the vacuum hose on that goes to the turbo in the motor mount when I was lifting the engine up to remove an intake pipe to do maintenance. So that was all it took to boost to the moon and blow the bottom end haha.

    So now it is time to rebuild. I originally was going to settle for something reasonable like 600-700whp, but I figure if I'm going to make big power i might as well make REALLY big power all the while knowing the frustrations and carnage that will come. So here's the plan...

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    6870 twin scroll (changed to 369sxe divided 1.0ar)
    AR designs v2 top mount (changed to otis top mount)
    115# injectors
    1245 treadstone intercooler
    Tial wastegates
    Tial BOV

    I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions along the way. Thanks so much for those that have helped thus far. On to the pictures....

    This is where we started. Made 507/ 437 with 35r on pump fuel...

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    Front clip removed...

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    She's out!

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    Tearing into it...

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    Head off.

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    The culprit!

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    I'll update pictures and progress as I go along.
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    Not enough injector for 1000whp. Just reread 1000hp.

    Anyway thatís not enough injector for that turbo. Iím running 2250cc for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post
    Not enough injector for 1000whp. Just reread 1000hp.

    Anyway that’s not enough injector for that turbo. I’m running 2250cc for it.


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    Good to know. Luckily haven't ordered yet still waiting for Jordan to get injectors for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bavdrftr318 View Post
    Good to know. Luckily haven't ordered yet still waiting for Jordan to get injectors for me.
    Rk doesnít do any bigger :wink


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    Picked up an s52 crank in great condition.

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    What size tires do you have under those flares? Looks mean!

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    That's the perfect turbo for 1k whp but what cams are you going to be running? Also E85 and about 2000cc injectors are likely needed too as stated above. Higher compression pistons could help reach your goal with less boost i think....

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    Quote Originally Posted by E36 328is View Post
    What size tires do you have under those flares? Looks mean!
    275 square :p

    Flares support 315 which is most likely what Iím going to do out back with a Et street r seems to work for frank and I believe he is running the same denofa flares as me I think....




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    Quote Originally Posted by JOutterbridge View Post
    That's the perfect turbo for 1k whp but what cams are you going to be running? Also E85 and about 2000cc injectors are likely needed too as stated above. Higher compression pistons could help reach your goal with less boost i think....
    Seems like straight e85 I may be able to hit 950 potentially with that turbo. Iím not actually sure anyone has made 1000whp on e85 only with this setup.

    Even if I donít hit that number Iíll still should be pretty damn quick at 950 or so... especially with my completely gutted 4dr :o


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    Small updates. Got the head back got it decked to 20RA and had a valve job done/ replaced seats etc etc. They pressure tested to 7psi just to make sure no valves were bent. I guess it's good to go...


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    Completely stripped the block. Now just need pistons to get the block over to the machinist.


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    In the meantime Precision just released a 6875 turbo. Not sure exactly what to think but it seems to be sitting in a sweet spot where maybe 1000whp could be made on straight e85. I'd love to hear some feedback from you guys that have experience with these bigger turbos.

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    Finally I measured all my ARP 2000 studs that I had in the motor (so used once). I found that all were within about a 10 thousanths range and none had stretched to over .015. Are these still safe to use again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bavdrftr318 View Post
    Small updates. Got the head back got it decked to 20RA and had a valve job done/ replaced seats etc etc. They pressure tested to 7psi just to make sure no valves were bent. I guess it's good to go...


    [IMG]


    Completely stripped the block. Now just need pistons to get the block over to the machinist.


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    In the meantime Precision just released a 6875 turbo. Not sure exactly what to think but it seems to be sitting in a sweet spot where maybe 1000whp could be made on straight e85. I'd love to hear some feedback from you guys that have experience with these bigger turbos.

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    Finally I measured all my ARP 2000 studs that I had in the motor (so used once). I found that all were within about a 10 thousanths range and none had stretched to over .015. Are these still safe to use again?
    I'm not qualified to speak on behalf of engines making 1000HP, but if the studs are within ARP's specs, then they're good.

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    Anyone see anything wrong with this order? Trying to make sure I have everything correct for the bottom end....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bavdrftr318 View Post
    Anyone see anything wrong with this order? Trying to make sure I have everything correct for the bottom end....

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    I would think for 1000hp you would be installing an ARP main stud kit, and rods come with ARPs usually.

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    Whatís up with the yellow/ white/ green stuff for the main bearings? It seems one brandís yellow is standard bore , but glyco has white as the standard bore...

    Do colors used to denote tolerances vary from company to company?

    Iím assuming standard bore will be what Iím after... but is a line hone really needed after you torque down the arp main studs if used? Iím assuming they are torqued to a higher spec that OEM main bolts are....


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    It's all explained in the TIS, I recommend that you get a copy (multi-disc sets on ebay usually $20.00 or less; might need a $25.00 laptop__with older Windows__to run it). Beats the Bentley manual 100:1.

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    your parts list is similar to what Im using. Should generate the same results with a few more parts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NY98M3 View Post
    your parts list is similar to what Im using. Should generate the same results with a few more parts.

    Your car was the inspiration for me going this route. Part of me is having second thoughts about the extra 2500 bucks or so to go ar/ 6870 over rsi/ 369sxe.

    With the extra 150whp also comes even more stuff underneath breaking. Prob will have to def go with the rpd big trans kit.

    Just curious what your setup was before this. What does another 150whp feel like at these high numbers. Really noticeable?

    Also meant to ask.... what was that big turbo m3 you ran in the video making for power. And the TT r8? Crazy awesome kills!


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    Quote Originally Posted by NY98M3 View Post
    your parts list is similar to what Im using. Should generate the same results with a few more parts.

    Damn Anthony!
    Your car is 1 hell of a //Machine!


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    Update. I ran out of monies so I’m switching to a 369sxe with an rsi top mount manifold. That’ll prob get my jollies going until I can upgrade later and shoot for more power.

    Anyone have a suggestion for back housing for the 369 turbo... there are a million options and was hoping some of you had experience. For now I don’t really plan on revving the car over 7250....


    Also just realized that rods don't come with bearings. Do people usually just buy OEM size bearings and run it or is this a measure every rod tolerance and put in the correct bearing for each and every rod to get a perfect tolerance.

    Don't know how exact of a science this is haha.


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    I would go with a larger AR on the 300 Series sxe turbo. They have a straight blade turbine which seems to spool very well, ask rajicase.

    For a $1000 turbo, I would seriously look at the LS series PT7675 turbo. Plus, once you have mores monies, you can likely upgrade without having to redo the down pipe, (more direct swap).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bavdrftr318 View Post
    Update. I ran out of monies so Iím switching to a 369sxe with an rsi top mount manifold. Thatíll prob get my jollies going until I can upgrade later and shoot for more power.

    Anyone have a suggestion for back housing for the 369 turbo... there are a million options and was hoping some of you had experience. For now I donít really plan on revving the car over 7250....


    Also just realized that rods don't come with bearings. Do people usually just buy OEM size bearings and run it or is this a measure every rod tolerance and put in the correct bearing for each and every rod to get a perfect tolerance.

    Don't know how exact of a science this is haha.


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    You need to replace bearings that match the crank.

    Its a very exact science hah.




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    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post
    You need to replace bearings that match the crank.

    Its a very exact science hah.




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    So each bearing size could be different? And whatís the gap supposed to be as it canít be the EXACT same size


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    Quote Originally Posted by bavdrftr318 View Post
    So each bearing size could be different? And whatís the gap supposed to be as it canít be the EXACT same size


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    They can be the exact same size. Measure your crank for deviations of both main and rod bearings. Then pick a bearing that matches the clearance you want.

    If all match order one set of bearings. If not assess your options.


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    Prob need something more precise than this huh ?


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