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Thread: Karies E36 Widebooty Turbo Build

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    Karies E36 Widebooty Turbo Build

    Hi Guy! i think its about time i start a build thread for my car. I've been lurker here for a few years and finally decided its time i build a turbo E36. Car is originally my wife car from high school and she did most of the modding but we've decided its best to just build one track dedicated car instead of 2 E36 track cars...

    Here is the progress from NA - Turbo in the last 3 months.

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    1995 318is ( originally bone stock with Tan Interior years ago )

    Motor:
    M52 - CES turbo kit ( cutring,copper,ARP)
    -S52 Cams
    -M50 manifold
    -Top mount Twinscroll Manifold - CSgarage
    -Bullseye 362 Batmowheel
    -UUC twin disk clutch
    -ZF 330i trans
    -3in downpipe
    -3in custom Exhaust
    -24x12x4.5 threadstone intercooler
    -2.5" hot side
    -3" cold side
    -AEM FPR
    -Walbro 450
    -80lb injectors
    -Ross Machine Fuel Rail -6an in and out
    -Condorspeed shop sold motor/trans mounts



















    after 3 long months i was finally Able to drive it back home under its own power.

    Car was on the dyno and it made 375whp/294lbs @ 12psi on a Mustang Dyno, few members know the dyno that was used and it reads really low. So I'm actually Happy with the outcome!

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    I'm guessing you want room to grow with those 80 lbs injectors.....that Mustang dyno reads really, really low if that is the case. I would expect your torque value to be a lot closer to your whp around 4 to 5k RPMs....I don't know that turbo, but at 12 psi, you should be in the mid 300s for sure, no?
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    Have to see the boost curve plotted on the dyno with hp and tq. Also, it’s a 2.8L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWManiac View Post
    I'm guessing you want room to grow with those 80 lbs injectors.....that Mustang dyno reads really, really low if that is the case. I would expect your torque value to be a lot closer to your whp around 4 to 5k RPMs....I don't know that turbo, but at 12 psi, you should be in the mid 300s for sure, no?
    The 80lbs is for the room to grow and also for E85 but having only one pump around here it doesn’t help. Chickenhed and Aveegrewal have been on this dyno before and it’s really a heartbreaker. We had tested the theory using a stock E36 Eurospec with a RD motor. That car made 319whp on a dynojet and it only made 240whp on this mustang dyno on the same day.

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    Ross Machine website says the rail is discontinued ?

    For those of you that made a rail yourself, what is involved?

    Looks like itís pretty easy to get the extrusions, but what about the injector bungs? Those must be sold as well? Then itís just a matter of welding or drilling holes and tapping them in?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SilburE36 View Post
    Ross Machine website says the rail is discontinued ?

    For those of you that made a rail yourself, what is involved?

    Looks like it’s pretty easy to get the extrusions, but what about the injector bungs? Those must be sold as well? Then it’s just a matter of welding or drilling holes and tapping them in?


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    yah the Ross rail is discontinued, I got it second hand for a good price. But the rail looks the same as the rally road fuel rail just the mounting hardware is different.

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    I canít wait to see it in person. I wish I had my car going

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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    I can’t wait to see it in person. I wish I had my car going
    Not missing much lol, still have all this little detail to take care of. I can’t wait till your cars done lol

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWManiac View Post
    I'm guessing you want room to grow with those 80 lbs injectors.....that Mustang dyno reads really, really low if that is the case. I would expect your torque value to be a lot closer to your whp around 4 to 5k RPMs....I don't know that turbo, but at 12 psi, you should be in the mid 300s for sure, no?
    That is correct. I was at 373whp/335 wtq at 11psi in 90 degree weather and slipping m5 clutch. On regular dynoject, torque should be mid 300s easy. Regardless, the build looks clean and well sought out.


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    98 Hellrot M3/4/5

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    Dude! Nice build! May the FI Gods be with us!
    Btw, What is that Front bumber lip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw328m52 View Post
    That is correct. I was at 373whp/335 wtq at 11psi in 90 degree weather and slipping m5 clutch. On regular dynoject, torque should be mid 300s easy. Regardless, the build looks clean and well sought out.
    then it seems like I'm missing a lot of torque on this dyno, i will be taking to a dynojet dyno and see the differences once I've sorted out all the leaks. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Matuh View Post
    Dude! Nice build! May the FI Gods be with us!
    Btw, What is that Front bumber lip?
    Thanks!
    its a Rare Old school Racing Dynamics. theres only a hand full floating around here.

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    That dyno sucks. The dyno graph I got from that place was all messed up compared to any other dyno Iíve been to. My car would have been high 500s (dynojet) at the boost setting I was at and I was at about 450 whp on that dyno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    That dyno sucks. The dyno graph I got from that place was all messed up compared to any other dyno I’ve been to. My car would have been high 500s (dynojet) at the boost setting I was at and I was at about 450 whp on that dyno.
    Lol! Yah it wasn’t even calibrated also when you dyno’d there so it would’ve probably been lower hahaha. I will probably take it to evolution as that’s where I took it for the NA dyno pulls so then I have something to compare with. But we will see who I go to so many choices lol

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    I think your rear suspension is broken, tires are all crooked and stuff.


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    Best = 9.43 @ 149.15 mph, 1.30 60 foot 28 psi boost

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    Quote Originally Posted by someguy2800 View Post
    I think your rear suspension is broken, tires are all crooked and stuff.
    Hahahah. Yah don’t worry I got a update coming soon. The wheels I bought are built for a M-Coupe so I figured since I’m going hard Motorsport flares it’ll fit but I guess I was wrong. Lol

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    Speed Pro in Surrey has a Dynojet. Thatís where Avee and I did our pulls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    Speed Pro in Surrey has a Dynojet. That’s where Avee and I did our pulls.
    Karies was there that day too!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakermac View Post
    Karies was there that day too!!
    Hahah yes I was! Lol I got pictures of your cars. Speedpros busy now so it’s hard to book a drop it lately

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    I always thought the racing dynamics lip for non-m was the best out there for that model. A bunch of guys ran them in ITS back in the old SCCA days.


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    a small update,

    fixed the wheel fitment with a different set of wheels and rear camber to Zero. ill be getting the CCW's rebarrelled to 10.5 square instead of the staggered fitment. also installed a Fancywide rear diffuser.




    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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    Well now it just looks goofy with zero camber!!

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    That looks sweet


    86 325es, 2.8L m50, S472sxe, MS3pro Ultimate, e85, solid rear axle, 4 link, spool, TH400 trans, Protorque converter, 28x10.5w slicks, zip ties
    Best = 9.43 @ 149.15 mph, 1.30 60 foot 28 psi boost

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    Goofy to the autox guy, sweet to the 1/4 mile guy.

    What is the car going to be used for again?

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    Till he balls it up on the way to the dragbstrip! ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    Goofy to the autox guy, sweet to the 1/4 mile guy.

    What is the car going to be used for again?
    Lol, honestly no idea. Going to try everything and have fun with it. Car still needs a lot before it car be a dedicated track car. And plus I still need to find a trailer

    95 318is - m52 powered, 97 328is - M-package, ​01 540iT/6speed


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