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    I was street racing and went from 3rd to 2nd. The car immediately died. I tried to start it but it won't start up. It acts like it wants to but it doesn't. I assume the engine is fucked. I want to get your guys 2 cents. Only comment with advice, instead of trash. Thanks

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    Not even one little comment about street racing? ......... okay, to get opinions you have to say what it does and doesn't do, and when it does and doesn't do these things.

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    It's hopefully something minor. No parts left on the street I assume ? Maybe a crank or cam sensor wire came off

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    It sounds like you're talking about a money shift above redline--although that shift is usually from 5th to 2nd or 4th to 1st on a downshift. It shouldn't happen on third to second on a downshift, but if you brought it up to redline in third, and shifted into what you intended to be 4th, but was in reality second, on an intended up-shift, then that's it. What would have happened next is the engine exceeding redline and the valves floating, contacting the cylinders, and you know the rest. Best way to check for that is with a compression tester--you're checking for no compression on all cylinders. If that's it, you probably need a new head, but could possibly rebuild yours, and probably new pistons as well. Wouldn't be a bad idea to do the bottom end as well and the timing chain and tensioners. Oh, and that would be a good time to safety wire the oil pump nut.

    If that's not what you did, but were intentionally downshifting from third to second, then it's something simple and relatively inexpensive--a compression test will tell you that as well--what you are looking for is compression. If you have compression, then it's a simple fuel or spark tracing until you get to the issue.

    If your intent was to shift into fourth and accidentally shifted into second, you probably need a shift pin service on your transmission as well. If the engine is indeed blown, it may be better to replace it than rebuild it--S52's are a dime a dozen. Whether you replace or rebuild, do a shift pin service or not, it would be time to do the clutch, giubo, water pump, mounts, etc. How many miles on it? What is the condition of the rest of the car?

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    Did the rpm go past 7500rpm? Any crazy noises?

    Sounds like a money shift.

    For this reason I built the habit of shifting 3rd to 4th with palm turned away from my body. It prevents money shifts.

    S52s are available, and fairly easy to swap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    Only comment with advice...

    Don't street race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey Mushman View Post
    Don't street race.
    Or practise shifting with the engine off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey Mushman View Post
    Don't street race.
    Harvey, my man. Street racing did not cause the failure. It was my own fault with the shifting. Regardless, this occurrence could have easily happened on the track, so in my mind your point is useless.
    There is nothing wrong with street racing as long as you are responsible, and don't get caught. I make my hits around 2-3am when there isn't a soul around.


    Sorry for the initial vague post. I was pretty heated at myself late at night waiting for the tow truck. It didn't make any horrendous noise, besides hearing the car over rev like crazy. I never shift past redline. I made that shift around 6800 rpm. I am not leaking any fluid after the f-up. The car acts normal, minus combustion, when I try to start it. I will try to take a video and post it up here in the next few hours.

    Thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bingley View Post
    It sounds like you're talking about a money shift above redline--although that shift is usually from 5th to 2nd or 4th to 1st on a downshift. It shouldn't happen on third to second on a downshift, but if you brought it up to redline in third, and shifted into what you intended to be 4th, but was in reality second, on an intended up-shift, then that's it. What would have happened next is the engine exceeding redline and the valves floating, contacting the cylinders, and you know the rest. Best way to check for that is with a compression tester--you're checking for no compression on all cylinders. If that's it, you probably need a new head, but could possibly rebuild yours, and probably new pistons as well. Wouldn't be a bad idea to do the bottom end as well and the timing chain and tensioners. Oh, and that would be a good time to safety wire the oil pump nut.

    If that's not what you did, but were intentionally downshifting from third to second, then it's something simple and relatively inexpensive--a compression test will tell you that as well--what you are looking for is compression. If you have compression, then it's a simple fuel or spark tracing until you get to the issue.

    If your intent was to shift into fourth and accidentally shifted into second, you probably need a shift pin service on your transmission as well. If the engine is indeed blown, it may be better to replace it than rebuild it--S52's are a dime a dozen. Whether you replace or rebuild, do a shift pin service or not, it would be time to do the clutch, giubo, water pump, mounts, etc. How many miles on it? What is the condition of the rest of the car?
    Thanks so much for the advice. You are right on target with what happened. I'll do a compression test here soon. The car has 150,000 miles. Ran well, with no known issues. When I bought the car I did a compression check and it turned out good. Will keep in touch.

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    Well let's hope your lucky and it's something like a spark plug blow out. I've had them come loose over time. Do you have software to diagnose? If you're that into racing to be out at 2-3am to do it then you really need to find a track and save yourself a lot of grief
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    Quote Originally Posted by z3forlife View Post
    Well let's hope your lucky and it's something like a spark plug blow out. I've had them come loose over time. Do you have software to diagnose? If you're that into racing to be out at 2-3am to do it then you really need to find a track and save yourself a lot of grief
    I have no software to diagnose it. I'll probably have to go rent one.
    I cant legitimately argue your point. I just don't want to drive an hour to go to the track and pay money to only get a few passes. I live 2 miles away from the only gas station in OKC that sells race fuel and it is always busy there Friday & Saturday nights.

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    Is there something special about your S-52 that requires race fuel? Anything over 93 octane on a stock or slightly modified motor is a complete waste of money and can only potentially cause damage to your motor and exhaust equipment. Don’t take this the wrong way, it may only be because the posts are vague at this point, but it seems to me that you have a lot to learn about high performance driving and motors. Before undertaking something dangerous like street racing again, make sure you become educated about your driving and car. This equals yet another vote for investing in a HPDE school where there are only people interested in making you a better driver. Please don’t become another sad statistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    I have no software to diagnose it. I'll probably have to go rent one.
    I cant legitimately argue your point. I just don't want to drive an hour to go to the track and pay money to only get a few passes. I live 2 miles away from the only gas station in OKC that sells race fuel and it is always busy there Friday & Saturday nights.
    Never put race fuel in an S52, ever.
    If you did, thats probably what messed your engine up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    There is nothing wrong with street racing as long as [bunch of BS to justify to myself that the rules somehow don't apply to me]
    You're selfish, reckless, and idiotic.


    Your statement is evidence of the first point, and your engine going *pop* is evidence of the third.
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    Guys, I NEVER said I put race fuel in the M Roadster. I The point I was getting at was this gas station has a HUGE turnout for racing versus traveling to a track.

    Harvey, I hate to tell you but street racing is actually a big thing. Like I said as long as you are responsible its fine. I can tell you are a straight laced kind of guy. I respect that, but I didn't buy an expensive car just to track it a couple times a year and then stare at it in the garage for the rest of the time. Last comment. I feel like it is easy to go from 3rd to 2nd. I had it happened to me when I was cruising on the high way. Fortunately I wasn't at a high RPM. The biggest mistake I made was not giving my full attention on the shift.


    I checked the compression on Cylinders 5 & 6. Bad news is that it was 0.
    What is a good price for a used S52 engine? Is it best to pull the engine and tranny together or leave the tranny in the car?
    Thanks
    Last edited by ShelbyGT500; 02-25-2018 at 02:14 PM. Reason: grammar

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    I wasn't going to comment on the OP's stupidity until the kid tried to justify being a menace to society with a 3,000 pound weapon. Cars don't kill people. Idiots behind the wheel do.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    There is nothing wrong with street racing as long as you are responsible, and don't get caught.
    I make my hits around 2-3am when there isn't a soul around...
    That sentence is an oxymoron with moron stressed.
    Quote Originally Posted by z3forlife View Post
    Well let's hope your lucky and it's something like a spark plug blow out. I've had them come loose over time. Do you have software to diagnose? If you're that into racing to be out at 2-3am to do it then you really need to find a track and save yourself a lot of grief
    If he isn't lucky, the person he is bound to harm in the future will be the lucky one.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    The point I was getting at was this gas station has a HUGE turnout for racing versus traveling to a track. (Then there must be a plethora of morons in your town)
    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post

    Harvey, I hate to tell you but street racing is actually a big thing (So are funeral parlors) Like I said as long as you are responsible its fine. (Don't blow smoke up my arse. There is no such thing as responsible street racing) I can tell you are a straight laced kind of guy. (Harvey may be, but I am not) I respect that. (I don't want a fool to respect me. Fools don't get my respect, and there isn't much worth getting from a fool) but I didn't buy an expensive car just to track it a couple times a year and then stare at it in the garage for the rest of the time. (After your bonehead move that put others in jeopardy, it looks like you will be looking at it for a while Einstein. So much for your grand scheme Brain.) Last comment. (No, keep commenting, I want my 15 year old to read the delusional nonsense you write. She needs a good laugh). I feel like it is easy to go from 3rd to 2nd. I had it happened to me when I was cruising on the high way. Fortunately I wasn't at a high RPM (clearly, it wasn't low enough Mr Darrow. It's highway, people take the high road Webster). The biggest mistake I made was not giving my full attention on the shift. (See post 7 above. The biggest mistake you made was thinking you knew how to drive your car. Cut your losses and sell the car. The life you save may be your own Darwin.)

    Thanks (You are welcome if you have the common sense and ability to comprehend what others are saying)

    When you grow up, read about the wedding party in Lido Beach NY and street racing. http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/16/ny...ds-deaths.html It's the New York Times so it may be written above your reading level, but I have faith in you. If reading comprehension isn't your strong point, try this video.

    Last edited by Tommm; 02-25-2018 at 05:43 PM.


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    S52 prices are from $1200-1800 depending on condition and luck.
    I bought a 110,000 mile one from an M3 for $1300 a couple years back. Now it just sits in storage. Naturally, not for sale. Just as an example.

    I would pull it with tranny too (just a few more nuts and bolts), but you don't have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    Harvey, I hate to tell you but street racing is actually a big thing.
    No kidding--you boys in OKC finally get internet so you could watch F&F movies?


    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    I can tell you are a straight laced kind of guy.
    You don't know s--- about me, kid. I was racing cars when you were still trying to figure out why your pecker got hard whenever your mom made you fold her laundry.


    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    I didn't buy an expensive car just to track it a couple times a year and then stare at it in the garage for the rest of the time.
    There are lots of things you can do with a car on public roads that aren't illegal and dangerous (to others, I mean. Nobody gives a ripe f--- if you hurt yourself). Have you considered, oh I don't know, maybe just going for a drive?


    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    Last comment. I feel like it is easy to go from 3rd to 2nd.
    Only if you're a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 328 Power 04 View Post
    S52 prices are from $1200-1800 depending on condition and luck.
    I bought a 110,000 mile one from an M3 for $1300 a couple years back. Now it just sits in storage. Naturally, not for sale. Just as an example.

    I would pull it with tranny too (just a few more nuts and bolts), but you don't have to.

    Thanks for the info.

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    Guys, he asked for advice and specifically not criticism or comment on the foolishness of his situation--he knows--enough already. Pull the engine and transmission together so you can do the clutch on a bench or stand. If your transmission regularly wants to go into 2nd from 3rd instead of 4th--that's not normal--you need to do a shift pin service or a shifter linkage rebuild, or both--ideal to do when the trany's out anyway. Btw, drill out a couple of spot welds at the frame horns and the radiator core support comes right out making engine removal much easier.

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    On the subject of race gas, higher octane always is a measure of a slower burning mixture; you should only use higher octane if you were detonating with lower octane, and you will have to advance the timing slightly to accommodate it. To put it another way, you will make the most horsepower by running the lowest octane that you don't have detonation with. Of course, the minor problem is that you really can't hear detonation unless it is pretty bad, you really need a knock sensor to "hear" it.

    My S54 runs just fine with 91 octane Kalifornia Krap, and it's got 11.5 to 1 compression; why would you need more with a stock S52? The only motor I've ever used race gas was a race motor that was 96ci making 350 horsepower with 22 pounds of boost; it thrived on 116 octane, but it was an absolute bear to get started on a cold morning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bingley View Post
    Guys, he asked for advice and specifically not criticism or comment on the foolishness of his situation--he knows--enough already. Pull the engine and transmission together so you can do the clutch on a bench or stand. If your transmission regularly wants to go into 2nd from 3rd instead of 4th--that's not normal--you need to do a shift pin service or a shifter linkage rebuild, or both--ideal to do when the trany's out anyway. Btw, drill out a couple of spot welds at the frame horns and the radiator core support comes right out making engine removal much easier.
    Then he posted these two piles of moronic turd. That more than opened the door.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    Harvey, my man. Street racing did not cause the failure. It was my own fault with the shifting. Regardless, this occurrence could have easily happened on the track, so in my mind your point is useless.
    There is nothing wrong with street racing as long as you are responsible, and don't get caught. I make my hits around 2-3am when there isn't a soul around.


    Sorry for the initial vague post. I was pretty heated at myself late at night waiting for the tow truck. It didn't make any horrendous noise, besides hearing the car over rev like crazy. I never shift past redline. I made that shift around 6800 rpm. I am not leaking any fluid after the f-up. The car acts normal, minus combustion, when I try to start it. I will try to take a video and post it up here in the next few hours.

    Thanks guys.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    Guys, I NEVER said I put race fuel in the M Roadster. I The point I was getting at was this gas station has a HUGE turnout for racing versus traveling to a track.

    Harvey, I hate to tell you but street racing is actually a big thing. Like I said as long as you are responsible its fine. I can tell you are a straight laced kind of guy. I respect that, but I didn't buy an expensive car just to track it a couple times a year and then stare at it in the garage for the rest of the time. Last comment. I feel like it is easy to go from 3rd to 2nd. I had it happened to me when I was cruising on the high way. Fortunately I wasn't at a high RPM. The biggest mistake I made was not giving my full attention on the shift.


    I checked the compression on Cylinders 5 & 6. Bad news is that it was 0.
    What is a good price for a used S52 engine? Is it best to pull the engine and tranny together or leave the tranny in the car?
    Thanks


    I'm too old to learn how to drive an automatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShelbyGT500 View Post
    Guys, I NEVER said I put race fuel in the M Roadster. I The point I was getting at was this gas station has a HUGE turnout for racing versus traveling to a track.

    Harvey, I hate to tell you but street racing is actually a big thing. Like I said as long as you are responsible its fine. I can tell you are a straight laced kind of guy. I respect that, but I didn't buy an expensive car just to track it a couple times a year and then stare at it in the garage for the rest of the time. Last comment. I feel like it is easy to go from 3rd to 2nd. I had it happened to me when I was cruising on the high way. Fortunately I wasn't at a high RPM. The biggest mistake I made was not giving my full attention on the shift.


    I checked the compression on Cylinders 5 & 6. Bad news is that it was 0.
    What is a good price for a used S52 engine? Is it best to pull the engine and tranny together or leave the tranny in the car?
    Thanks
    Bent valves, no seal.

    You could prove it with a leak-down test, but what's the point? Too bad they didn't get it on film for Street Outlaws...

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    As to octane, I run 93 in my supercharged S52 due to the higher intake temperatures from air compression at an elevation of just about 1000 ft above sea level--things are very different on the Colorado plateau at 11,000 ft--it all just depends on the circumstances.

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