For those of you who also have a "modern" car: http://newsletter.motor.com/2018/201...istration.html
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Battery registration is what makes me roll my eyes when thinking or considering moving beyond the e38/e39/e53/e46 generations of BMWs. The new gen BMWs uses different communication buses (but have some pretty good tools for accessing the buses and re-coding manipulation).
Here's more to add to your mental rolodex as one considers advancing on to the newer BMW models...plopping in a new battery won't be as easy as 1-2-3 anymore:
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[QUOTE=Qsilver7;29927561]Battery registration is what makes me roll my eyes when thinking or considering moving beyond the e38/e39/e53/e46 generations of BMWs.
Me too! And I'm facing the choice soon.
All of this begs the question; Why? Do I really need all this for the simplest electrical device known to man?
I'm wondering if the fancy system "reads" a replacement battery and adjusts for that specific bunch of cells. What if someone installs a second hand battery, any consequences?
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I'm going backwards. Sherman, set the way back machine to 1933.
75% of all that "government imposed" stuff won't be there.
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Crank up the DeLorean!
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Charge up the flux capacitor!
Solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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Battery registration, no oil dipstick, incessant battery drain issues, and aluminum bolts (really?) are the reasons I do not touch newer BMWs. I have had the misfortune of working on friends E90s, E60s, etc. They all had problems E38s/E39s would never have.
Old news but madness. But really what are the problems? The article references check control messages or fault codes, but those aren't really a big deal. It does not mention check engine which would be at least a full medium deal. Might be more, I don't know, but the aftereffects don't really sound like much of a problem.
98 328is
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80 528i
81 528ia
and decades of owning and driving BMWs
What I'm gathering from the e70 and F06 forums is not just the check control messages going kinda bonkers. Remember, they have a different cluster with multiple sections and a check control system that is a bit more "informational" than ours...and we all kinda freak out when we get warning lights and don't know the reason why. Plus, if they don't code & register the new battery correctly (an AGM battery to boot...which costs more)...it can have a shortened life cycle. Again, this is what I've been picking up from reading their forums the last 9 months or so.
The images below are of the e70 X5's instrument cluster. You can see how "colorful" the cluster can be if you're getting warning symbols and check control warnings all due to a battery not being charged correctly by the alternator/charging system.
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Sheesh. I know Ryan (from E39Source - the guy with the Silverstone M5) has had some issues with his father's E60 M5. Without dealer-level service software, it was basically impossible to tell whether the alternator failed or there were blown fuses or whether the LCM was dead.
Speaking of battery programming, this is just plain stupid:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ns-bmw-n63-v8/
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That....... is......... CrAzY!
10,000 mile battery replacements due to lawyers, marketing, and the EPA!
Nate J.
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Titanium Silver/Black Nappa Full 07-18-2001 E39 M5 Heritage (BZ99672). 198,000mi+. Increasing daily. Engine rebuild thread.
(eŌō\ (||||)º(||||) / ōŌe)
Alpineweiss III/Black Merino Full 03-26-2007 E60 M5 Manual (CX08265). 157,000+. Dead starter -_-
RIP, Seabiscuit. Black Sapphire/Schwarz 03-11-2003 530iA Sport (CK39185). T-boned 03-01-2017 at 155,861mi.
Take 2 "Otto" - Toledo Blue/Sandbeige 04-25-2002 530iA Sport (CH98032). Sold 11-10-2017 at 147,743mi.
Take 3 "Manuel" - Toledo Blue/Grau 10-29-2001 530i5 Sport (CE92358). Sold 02-01-2019 at 217,600mi. I regret that. Build Log
Reliable P.O.S. - Green/gray 1995 Camry V6 LE. 270k mi. Sold for space.
Did Apple collaborate on the battery evaluation software?
If so then it very likely throttles the motor by 50hp when it decides the battery is getting worn down.
You know. For your own good.
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Titanium Silver/Black Nappa Full 07-18-2001 E39 M5 Heritage (BZ99672). 198,000mi+. Increasing daily. Engine rebuild thread.
(eŌō\ (||||)º(||||) / ōŌe)
Alpineweiss III/Black Merino Full 03-26-2007 E60 M5 Manual (CX08265). 157,000+. Dead starter -_-
RIP, Seabiscuit. Black Sapphire/Schwarz 03-11-2003 530iA Sport (CK39185). T-boned 03-01-2017 at 155,861mi.
Take 2 "Otto" - Toledo Blue/Sandbeige 04-25-2002 530iA Sport (CH98032). Sold 11-10-2017 at 147,743mi.
Take 3 "Manuel" - Toledo Blue/Grau 10-29-2001 530i5 Sport (CE92358). Sold 02-01-2019 at 217,600mi. I regret that. Build Log
Reliable P.O.S. - Green/gray 1995 Camry V6 LE. 270k mi. Sold for space.
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10,000 mile battery replacements due to lawyers, marketing, and the EPA![/QUOTE]
... at every oil change!
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Ed in San Jose '97 540i 6 speed aspensilber over aubergine leather. Build date 3/97. Golden Gate Chapter BMW CCA Nr 62319.
The dash might be lit up like a video game, but when those $70K (or whatever) cars are down to $5K cars and the warranty is nothing but a good laugh, I bet guys figure out ways to keep the battery charged. The 3rd or 4th owner isn't going to replace $200 batteries every oil change. It might take some tinkering that might in turn light up another idiot light, but I bet it wouldn't be that difficult. And someone who's really good at circuit design could probably even shut off the lights.
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02 525ita
80 528i
81 528ia
and decades of owning and driving BMWs
10,000 mile battery intervals, a clear sign to mothball the EPA and all it's bs, stupid tree huggers...
Set the controls for the heart of the sun
Eh, it's on BMW this time. It's them trying to tweak things to get better numbers from the EPA, not the EPA telling them to do something. Plus our driving habits that are apparently different than where they designed it. Bear in mind I still think it's BS, but it's BMWs fault.
I'd probably set another light, but I bet I could do a workaround in an afternoon. Might take a full weekend to not turn another light on. Working at a lazy mans pace of 4-5 hours a day.
98 328is
02 525ita
80 528i
81 528ia
and decades of owning and driving BMWs
I know this, but the EPA is still the root cause, as it always is with other ridiculous situations.
Set the controls for the heart of the sun
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Similar to engines that burn 2 quarts of oil in 5k miles to have a lower resistance engine that gets .1 mpg better. Focusing on one aspect of being green while doing 10 horrible things is not helpful. Because a new battery every year is not resource intensive at all.
I was under the impression it *would* be a easy software patch to correct this, but doing so effects "braking" so it effects "safety" so it means "crash tests must be redone" which is complete 100% crap.
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Great thread, I wonder if the BMW N63TU engine is much better? I am vacillating between a late model 2015/2016 F10 550 (N63TU engine) or a 2017 G30 540 (B58 engine)
2001 540 M-Sport (cdn), ST X (KW) coilovers, H&R 15mm spacers, Eibach anti roll bars (28mm/18mm), Beastpower rear antiroll bar brackets, M5 rear chassis reinforcements (traction rods), Strong Strut front upper strut bar, Dinan Stage 1 software, factory M-Audio subs, Bavsound speaker upgrade, Bluebus bluetooth integration, Stop Tech SS brake lines, ATE coated brake rotors, ATE ceramic brake pads.
Nate J.
(oOO\ (|||)º(|||) /OOo)
Titanium Silver/Black Nappa Full 07-18-2001 E39 M5 Heritage (BZ99672). 198,000mi+. Increasing daily. Engine rebuild thread.
(eŌō\ (||||)º(||||) / ōŌe)
Alpineweiss III/Black Merino Full 03-26-2007 E60 M5 Manual (CX08265). 157,000+. Dead starter -_-
RIP, Seabiscuit. Black Sapphire/Schwarz 03-11-2003 530iA Sport (CK39185). T-boned 03-01-2017 at 155,861mi.
Take 2 "Otto" - Toledo Blue/Sandbeige 04-25-2002 530iA Sport (CH98032). Sold 11-10-2017 at 147,743mi.
Take 3 "Manuel" - Toledo Blue/Grau 10-29-2001 530i5 Sport (CE92358). Sold 02-01-2019 at 217,600mi. I regret that. Build Log
Reliable P.O.S. - Green/gray 1995 Camry V6 LE. 270k mi. Sold for space.
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