Last edited by MagneZium; 10-23-2017 at 02:18 PM.
BMWs are fun in the snow too...
Hartley to return for Mexico, taking Kyvat's seat.
Agreed with all of the above. I don't see how this could be any clearer. He went 4 wheels off to make the pass.
Does anyone actually listen to him? Once in a while he'll make a good point I suppose, but most of the time it's just nonsense.
Saw that. Kind of surprising since Kvyat did so well in Austin, aside from his last lap slide-off which happened right in front of where I was sitting. Doesn't really seem justified to me but I guess that's just the way F1 can be.
Last edited by roarf; 10-24-2017 at 10:15 AM.
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funny stuff here.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APMA...layer_embedded
As someone said above I think its a good point that there shouldn't be enough tarmac on the inside of a corner that you can place a car totally outside the track limits and not be hitting grass or something like that.
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No one was maintaining track limits. Robbed.
Reading comprehension: you need to work on it.
Why the hell do you and so many want racing to become some kind of popularity contest instead of a competition of skill...on a racetrack? Seriously, why the hell do so many people want to let a guy drive off the track and CUT A CORNER to pass for the podium? Doesn't racing mean ANYTHING to anyone?
It's clear that the hordes are fixated on 'liking' Max more because of his image or whatever makes Kardashians, Bieber and other douches celebrities, and then all racing and truth are flushed down the toilet just because they have to satisfy their fantasy infatuation BS.
Media after media keep writing articles siding with Max just because they're playing the numbers, it's the side that'll get more income for them. Noting that Kimi drove an awesome race and would've come in second place without giving the spot voluntarily to Vettel is something to enjoy too, not everything (including the very fundaments of racing: sticking to the track and not cutting corners!) has to be sacrificed for your hormonal cravings or fantasies to be fulfilled. I used to hear 'may the best man win', now it's just 'I want XXXX to win'...
Last edited by MagneZium; 10-25-2017 at 03:40 PM.
BMWs are fun in the snow too...
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What’s the difference between a following driver running wide to carry more speed, higher exit speed and ultimately a higher top speed at the end of the next straight to make a pass vs what Verstappen did? Both leave the track to gain an advantage. Same could be said in qualifying, running wide might be the difference between making Q2. Again, driver gains an advantage by driving outside the track boundaries. If running wide wasn’t an advantage, it wouldn’t be done. Having spent more than my fair share of time on race tracks, keeping all four wheels on the track surface proper is slower than exploiting the fringes.
No question Verstappen jumped the inside curb with all four wheels. The issue for me is the inconsistency, singling out one off course excursion vs dozens if not hundreds of others.
Watched this in person, if you got the balls to take it there, you win the place...
https://youtu.be/ywsB65YfLOQ
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There has been no inconsistency at all. As has been written here as well, FIA has been very clear from the start as to why they allowed going over track limits on the certain corner exits that were regularly crossed during the weekend. Not the inside lines on any corner, let alone the one Max cut. Also the subject was lap times, not passing people.
Anyone with any kind of IQ should be able to understand that the two issues are completely separate, and that Verstappen (and his team and some others) is just dishonestly doing what he can to maximise his own advantage. There's no question about it: the issue of going over the line on several certain corner exits was raised, investigated, and the decision was made to allow it DUE TO EVIDENCE that it gave no advantage. Everyone knows that issue was about certain few corner exits and no other place, and despite the transparent lies just because they feel they have to try to defend theirselves, that was a question which was clarified. There was no inconsistency.
BMWs are fun in the snow too...
Track limits has been a peeve of mine for many years. I also thought (and still do but I'll go into that after this) that the rules/limits were inconsistent.
But.... I've learned that in the drivers' briefings they discuss track limits quite heavily. They get the input from all the drivers and they then... redefine... track limits. Yep, for every GP they redefine the track limits. non-existent example: everyone agrees that the curbs at turn 11 are not gaining an advantage. Therefore the stewards and Charlie and the drivers agree that it's okay to put 4 wheels off the track at turn 11 on the exit.
Now my issue with this: They don't tell us viewers. And if you watch the FP sessions sometimes they'll talk about it but sometimes not. Sometimes they'll talk about it in quali etc but not always. So it really does appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent. But it's really not.
The issue is that they don't inform the fans about these new "rules".
But watching quali at least you get to pickup which corners etc have been allowed by just watching the lines the drivers take and see if they are penalized or not. It's not a good system, especially if you're new to F1 (like a lot of Max fans), it can be very difficult to pick up on the intricacies.
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