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    M70 chips

    Hi,

    I got wokke v2 chipset in my hands and when i installed them i was suprised to find out that my car allready had dinan chips in motronics. I know that wokkes V2 eml chip is great and it is allready installed but wich one would be better to leave in dme's, wokke or dinan?

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    So full wokke set is better than combination of dinan dme's and wokke eml v2 ?

    The dinan chips that were installed in my dme's are D900-5033.
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    Thread after thread on this exact topic - for your car there is only one choice
    Dinan transmission chip is fun though

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockytt View Post
    Thread after thread on this exact topic - for your car there is only one choice
    Dinan transmission chip is fun though
    So what is that one and only choice since you seem to know it.

    Forgive me if im asking questions that you might have seen many times in this forum.

    I think im going to try and put the dinan chips in dme's one more time and see for myself is there any difference. Wokkes eml v2 is staying put for sure but im curios about the possible difference between those dme chips.
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    WOKKEs hands down!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockytt View Post
    WOKKEs hands down!!
    Thankyou for your answer. However because im so curious i'm going to try those dinan chips together with Wokkes eml v2. I'll report my results here once i've done the test.
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    If you have Dinan Gen3 chips, and not just the Dinan 5033's, You will be very happy with those as well along with the V2 EML upgrade.

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    Been there, done that, haven’t asked Wolf for a t-shirt yet. Difference between Dinan chips and Wolf’s chips is night and day. I also have a Dinan tranny chip and it makes the shifts more snappy, not sure if that really is worthwhile given the power to weight ratio of the beast.

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    Hi all,

    Now i have experienced both chips. I swapped dme chips from wokkes to dinan and back to wokke. Wokkes eml v2 was in place all the time. Wokkes chips indeed feels better than dinan chips.

    My car now has 3,91 lsd diff and wokke V2 chips. My experience is that i'm not feeling this huge overrated "car waking up" thing. This is a slow car now matter what. The car is snappier now in very slow speeds but that's all there is. I just spent an afternoon with a fellow 8er and we compared our cars. He has a bone stock euro car with 3,15 diff. My car is a little faster when accelerating from slow speeds. But when the speed is around 80km/h and you hit the pedal the difference isn't big. With that 3,15 diff the car changes to second gear and accelerates to 145km/h until it changes to third. With 3,91 diff it also changes to second but it has to change to third allready at around 120km/h. I was surprised of how little, if at all, there was difference. But in consumption there is a difference. My car with 3,91 diff is a total drunk compared to the one with 3,15 diff. My car needs at least 3L/100km more gas and that is too much.

    So my conclusion is that wokke V2 chips are ok but 3,91 diff isn't really worth the increased consumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikae31 View Post
    Hi all,

    Now i have experienced both chips. I swapped dme chips from wokkes to dinan and back to wokke. Wokkes eml v2 was in place all the time. Wokkes chips indeed feels better than dinan chips.

    My car now has 3,91 lsd diff and wokke V2 chips. My experience is that i'm not feeling this huge overrated "car waking up" thing. This is a slow car now matter what. The car is snappier now in very slow speeds but that's all there is. I just spent an afternoon with a fellow 8er and we compared our cars. He has a bone stock euro car with 3,15 diff. My car is a little faster when accelerating from slow speeds. But when the speed is around 80km/h and you hit the pedal the difference isn't big. With that 3,15 diff the car changes to second gear and accelerates to 145km/h until it changes to third. With 3,91 diff it also changes to second but it has to change to third allready at around 120km/h. I was surprised of how little, if at all, there was difference. But in consumption there is a difference. My car with 3,91 diff is a total drunk compared to the one with 3,15 diff. My car needs at least 3L/100km more gas and that is too much.

    So my conclusion is that wokke V2 chips are ok but 3,91 diff isn't really worth the increased consumption.
    I would really check other things with your car, how is the fuel pressure, injectors, mafs? This is not the experience most have. Worst case scenario you can send the 3.91 may way

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon850 View Post
    I would really check other things with your car, how is the fuel pressure, injectors, mafs? This is not the experience most have. Worst case scenario you can send the 3.91 may way
    My car is in good running condition and extremely low mileage with only 86000km. Emissions were excellent in vehicle inspection last summer. Idle is fine and no issues at all. Remember that i said the car is quicker from standstill. But when the speed gets to about 80km/h the difference is very little and i actually would even say that the M70 wide torgue pulls the car better with longer ratios when the speed is above 80km/h.
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    The diff change should have made a radical difference in acceleration - and you are not seeing it even though you are consuming another 3Ltr/100Km - and that points to something not being quite right. The two things that have this sort of effect (without a misfire or high emissions) is either tired MAF's or restricted gas-flow through the exhaust such as failing cats.....
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    I guess i should film a videoclip of acceleration so you could see if it's normal or not.

    However i believe that it's just a matter of personal feeling. I had so high expectations of these mods after reading all these "awesome" replies other had written. I think it's also subjective how people feel these things. Some get 0,5 seconds off from acceleration to 0-100km/h and that's "awesome".

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    Here is a couple of videos of how my car accelerates now with m70b50 automatic and also 3,91 and wokke V2. Hope these links work.

    https://youtu.be/RLj1qB4vyo0

    And another from 80 km/h
    https://youtu.be/K8H3dukgwSI
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikae31 View Post
    Here is a couple of videos of how my car accelerates now with m70b50 automatic and also 3,91 and wokke V2. Hope these links work.

    https://youtu.be/RLj1qB4vyo0

    And another from 80 km/h
    https://youtu.be/K8H3dukgwSI
    You are a flat six seconds to 100 km/h (60mph). I think that's already pretty good in comparison to a stock 850i automatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikae31 View Post
    Here is a couple of videos of how my car accelerates now with m70b50 automatic and also 3,91 and wokke V2. Hope these links work.

    https://youtu.be/RLj1qB4vyo0

    And another from 80 km/h
    https://youtu.be/K8H3dukgwSI
    You are much faster than standard 850 auto, even wheel spin at the start

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon850 View Post
    You are much faster than standard 850 auto, even wheel spin at the start
    Like i said previously. It's a bit faster (i don't think that is "much") from standstill but acceleration from 80km/h didn't feel that much better when i did the comparison yesterday. The stock one with 3,15 diff uses second gear so much further. With so much increased consumption i'm not sure if this diff is worth it.
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    Another hard fact based on numbers.
    Measured from that video my 0-100km/h time was sharp 7 seconds. With perfect start (no spin) you could get a bit under. Factory says that stock m70b50 with 3,15 is 7,4 seconds. So i don't see these mods that amazing. Expecially with so much increased consumption.
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    I agree - that's 7 seconds 0 -100kph - something isn't right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timm View Post
    I agree - that's 7 seconds 0 -100kph - something isn't right!
    Any suggestions of what to look? You mentioned earlier maf's and cats. Is there some way to check those?

    Also, there are people here who has these mods in their cars. Does this look normal? TxGR8WHITE??
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    I would have a garage check the back-pressure at the Lambda sensors - my best guess is a cat is melting.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timm View Post
    I would have a garage check the back-pressure at the Lambda sensors - my best guess is a cat is melting.....
    Ok, thanks.

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    I think you might just be expecting too much out of 4,200lb car with a 4 speed auto and V12 that makes less power than a new Altima.

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    I looked at the video and it seems that your car is a bit sluggish, mine definitely has quicker acceleration and shifts a bit quicker. I would look at the following:

    1. fuel injector condition
    2. spark plugs (if you are using anything other than plain copper plugs, you are wasting money and getting poorer results (the ignition system does not have the required voltage for platinum, iridium or other newer style plug)
    3. fuel delivery - strainer in the tank clogged?, fuel filters clogged? fuel pressure regulators weak.
    4. vacuum lines to FPR - are your vacuum lines brittle or old?
    5. condition of DK motors - if the butterfly doesn't "snap" back when manually opened all the way, but rather acts a little slow, they may need cleaning/refurbishing.
    6. air filters - are they new or are they dirty?
    7. lower airboxes - are your airboxes in good condition? if you have rips, holes, or other things that allow air to escape before it reaches the engine, you no longer have the cold air (and partial ram-air) effect needed.

    All of these things contribute each in a small way, but when you have several of these problems, you will notice a decrease in performance.


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