Different cold air thinking -

[Skwisgaar]

How did I end up in the E36 forum? This doesn't even have to do with E36s.

[douglawrence42]

OP asked about "different" cold air thinking. We went this way. I'm sure it is different than what he was thinking.

[BimmrMeUpSnotty]

How did I end up in the E36 forum? This doesn't even have to do with E36s.

Lmao, How's the shoe collection?

[computiNATEor]

[jp5Touring]

[fullthrottle540]

Back on topic, my theory is that aftermarket high-flow intake setups will make more power than the factory intake snorkel box in 99% of cars on the road. Yes, there are unique examples that disprove this, but we're just talking about regular E39's here.

How many racing events have you been to, where the fastest NA car is running a factory snorkel box? Be honest.

I'm afraid these dyno plots prove nothing, i.e. in favour or against. The fact that averages alone are different is meaningless. Measurement conditions must be strictly controlled.

True. I say that the best measurement condition is true life test, car vs. car.

"When the green light pops, the bullsh*t stops."

[geargrinder]

Back on topic, my theory is that aftermarket high-flow intake setups will make more power than the factory intake snorkel box in 99% of cars on the road. Yes, there are unique examples that disprove this, but we're just talking about regular E39's here.

Back on topic you're still wrong and you're still just regurgitating what you said before. Sure maybe some snorkel boxes may suck but a better bet is that 99% of CAI setups are hokey bullshit sold to rubes like you cuz "herpderp it cost money and is different so must be better!!!!"

Herpderp. I'm gonna report your post for being dumb and repetitive.

[jp5Touring]

How many racing events have you been to, where the fastest NA car is running a factory snorkel box? Be honest.

That's just silly

[fullthrottle540]

a better bet is that 99% of CAI setups are hokey bullshit cuz "herpderp it cost money so must be better!!!!"

I never said they are worth the $$/gains. $400 for 3hp might be a rip-off to most people, but then again, I didn't buy a BMW to save money

[fullthrottle540]

That's just silly

Agreed.

[e24mpwr]

Lmao, How's the shoe collection?

This, for example, is quality smack-talk

[JaxPlanet]

I never said they are worth the $$/gains. $400 for 3hp might be a rip-off to most people, but then again, I didn't buy a BMW to save money

No doubt. Spending $400 on an aftermarket intake that can be purchased at almost half the price is so far from saving money it is safe to say you are wasting it. There is also the possibility that you are not even getting 3HP from this mod.

Of course, my points are moot to you because you are loaded so I say this for the sake of those who are better off applying $400 somewhere else in their life or spending $240 on an intake that will yield the same results: http://www.racdyn-usa.com/PROD/142+52+39+105.html

[geargrinder]

Still too much. Also looks too much like a HAI.

If I was to be N/A and had to burn perfectly good american currency for a 'do nothing' mod, I'd do this which is a perfectly fine knock off of the Dinan setup stuffed down in the fender itself.

http://www.cosmoracing.com/productin...d=165&pid=1431

[fullthrottle540]

If I was to be N/A and had to burn perfectly good american currency for a 'do nothing' mod, I'd do this which is a perfectly fine knock off of the Dinan setup stuffed down in the fender itself.

http://www.cosmoracing.com/productin...d=165&pid=1431

That looks almost exactly like the DINAN. It's not CARB legal though, so would not pass smog in California, and could earn you a ticket on the street.

The CARB "testing" supposedly costs the intake manufacturers around $20k per model, so CARB legal intakes have always been double the price of non-CARB intakes. That little CARB sticker is expensive, so much so that fake CARB stickers can be found at most boy-racer shops in California.

If I had to burn perfectly good american currency

If you don't like burning currency, then you bought the wrong brand of car to begin with. Buying a BMW as a wise economic investment is like buying a Silverado 3500 dually for the MPG.

[JaxPlanet]

http://www.cosmoracing.com/productin...d=165&pid=1431

I'd take the spinning cheerleader instead

Oops, I just looked again and now there is a hooker. Definitely a unique approach to marketing at Cosmo.

[geargrinder]

If you don't like burning currency, then you bought the wrong brand of car to begin with. Buying a BMW as a wise economic investment is like buying a Silverado 3500 dually for the MPG.

Oh pleez. "BMWs are high maintenance and not cheap" is not the same as "throw stupid money at mods that do little to nothing". That's what we call an effin retarded false equivalency.

And waaaah waaaah it doesn't have CARB cert. Don't give me that crap. You and I know a billion kids are rocking CAIs in CA and are never getting bothered. The do-nothing intake won't impact smog readings at all and if you thought you'd get checked during the smog you can swap the oem in for 10minutes while you go for it. John and Ponch aren't pulling over E39's to inspect intake CARB numbers and you know it. Hell the VF SC kit isn't CARB'd and there's loads of those rolling around Cali. Total BS argument also.

[fullthrottle540]

I'd take the spinning cheerleader instead

Oops, I just looked again and now there is a hooker. Definitely a unique approach to marketing at Cosmo.

Haha. Surprised it isn't an angelfire website like Nopi

[computiNATEor]

That looks almost exactly like the DINAN. It's not CARB legal though, so would not pass smog in California, and could earn you a ticket on the street.

The CARB "testing" supposedly costs the intake manufacturers around $20k per model, so CARB legal intakes have always been double the price of non-CARB intakes. That little CARB sticker is expensive, so much so that fake CARB stickers can be found at most boy-racer shops in California.

Oh pleez. "BMWs are high maintenance and not cheap" is not the same as "throw stupid money at mods that do little to nothing". That's what we call an effin retarded false equivalency.

And waaaah waaaah it doesn't have CARB cert. Don't give me that crap. You and I know a billion kids are rocking CAIs in CA and are never getting bothered. The do-nothing intake won't impact smog readings at all and if you thought you'd get checked during the smog you can swap the oem in for 10minutes while you go for it. John and Ponch aren't pulling over E39's to inspect intake CARB numbers and you know it. Hell the VF SC kit isn't CARB'd and there's loads of those rolling around Cali. Total BS argument also.

CARB certification is not required for parts before the MAF or after the final 02 sensor. Cat-back exhausts don't require CARB stickers, nor do short/long ram-style intake tubes.

[fullthrottle540]

CARB certification is not required for parts before the MAF or after the final 02 sensor. Cat-back exhausts don't require CARB stickers, nor do short/long ram-style intake tubes.

I own several cars with intakes (before MAF) and all have CARB stickers

My 540 came from the dealer with Dinan intake and carb sticker

[computiNATEor]

I own several cars with intakes (before MAF) and all have CARB stickers

My 540 came from the dealer with Dinan intake and carb sticker

They may very well have them, but you don't need them. Dinan, for example, just likes to be extra careful; CA is a large market (and their home).

[fullthrottle540]

They may very well have them, but you don't need them. Dinan just likes to be extra careful; CA is a large market (and their home).

You need them to pass visual @ smog, as far as I know

Im smogging my 540 tomorrow, maybe ill cover up the carb sticker and put to the test...

[computiNATEor]

You need them to pass visual @ smog, as far as I know

Im smogging my 540 tomorrow, maybe ill cover up the carb sticker and put to the test...

Haha, do it Here's what the CARB website says:

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Because the standard air cleaner box doesn't serve any emissions purpose in the E39 (no vacuum hoses, etc), I believe it does not require a CARB sticker.

At least, that's what my mechanic told me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[geargrinder]

Sounds right to me. I have no doubt that an anal bitch agency could pretend it was "emissions-related" (like Mass pretends that transmissions are emissions related so swaps that weren't factory provided are not OK) but in practicality they're not bothered. As bad as people think it is, in some ways CA is worse than MA in the current state of affairs. Mass piggy-backs on CA rules now but does not provide the remedies that CA does - aka you can't even get a cert/EO for mod parts in MA, there's no process for that. In essence all mod parts and software are illegal in MA unless you go to California to get them certified.

I'm pro emissions in fact, I just wish there was a modicum of common sense for aftermarket stuff... like if you can smog your modified / tuned car, who the fork cares if its now got different cams and exhaust and tune... Unfortunately the EPA new rules basically ban ALL performance engine parts... but maybe Trump and Pruitt will quash that mess. Unfortunately they'll likely quash the good parts of EPA as well...

[douglawrence42]

Solved

https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...-plates-256721

Only thing I don't get is how you explain Montana plates and a "your state" drivers license. Most states have some sort of "you live here and keep the car here, you switch to our registration" law to ensure maximum DMV and property tax revenue

Edit: crap. Read to the end. MA and CA are the two states actively busting this scam. Figures. I guess that's the price you pay for either sunshine or Tom Brady

[geargrinder]

Yeah, that story even omits the part about Montana having zero required equipment checks/requirements etc.

If you rock that scam then you probably just need to prepare a very clear and documented story for when you get caught. Aka "Yes sir I live in Mass most of the time but I own a ranch in Montana and this car is normally garaged there, I just happen to have it here in Mass this week/month. Here's my address and a picture of my house with this car out front." And hope you didn't get turned in by the neighbors who say "that car has been here for 3 years every day".

There's a guy with a Montana plated Ariel Atom around here, which NO WAY IN A MILLION YEARS IN HELL would ever get near a license plate in Mass. You can barely even build a kit car in Mass, I'm certain the DEP ("Dept of Enviro Protection" aka our state EPA) is working on everything they can do to try to make everything fun illegal as we speak.