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    Every now and then, fixing cars is fun

    Greetings, friends.

    I had a very interesting week, and thought I'd share a couple of the fun bits. We don't get many of these, and while they don't pay a bunch, they do give a sense of having accomplished something really positive.

    First is a car I sent home today. F25 X3, came in with a Christmas tree on the displays, including "Chassis Stability", ABS, Brake, Traction, 4x4, and others.

    Dealer had (apparently) told owner that ABS module was bad, and transfer case was exploded.

    Indeed, driving forward and turning, all hell broke loose and it felt like an old Chevy 4x4 with two welded diffs, and transfer case locked, on pavement. In fact, the violence of the car's reaction actually stopped the vehicle dead in its tracks with loud , seemingly metal to metal banging.

    3 Pages of codes:




    Autologic Quick Test Report

    VIN 5UXWX5C55CL727503
    Manufacturer BMW
    Vehicle F25 X3 28iX N52 5 door SAV
    Year 10/2011
    Country / Area USA
    Km reading 105613km (65 586mls)
    Autologic information A021799, BMW v3.161.0, Main v6.7.0
    Time / Date 16:35 23/08/2017

    Modules with faults:
    FOOTWELL MODULE (FRM) (FRM3) 9 Faults
    E58500 Message (stabilisation of Dynamic Stability Control, 0x173) missing, footwell module receiver, Dynamic Stability Control transmitter
    E58502 Message (vehicle ride height, 0xE4) missing, footwell module receiver, Integrated Chassis Management transmitter
    E58509 Message (driving speed, 0x1A1) missing, footwell module receiver, Integrated Chassis Management transmitter
    E5850A Message (yaw rate, 0x19F) missing, footwell module receiver, Integrated Chassis Management transmitter
    E58510 Message (data, drive train 2, 0x3F9) missing, footwell module receiver, TAC module / Digital Diesel Electronics transmitter
    E58511 No message (power management, 0x3B3), receiver FRM, transmitter DME/DDE
    E58C3E Driver's side exterior mirror: Local interconnect network bus, communication fault
    E58C3F Front passenger side exterior mirror: Local interconnect network bus, communication fault
    E58C42 Switch block, driver's door: LIN bus, communication fault
    TRAILER MODULE (AHM) (AHM_01) 9 Faults
    802812 Brake light / direction indicator, left: light faulty or open circuit
    802813 Brake light / direction indicator, right: light faulty or open circuit
    802814 Side lights and number-plate light: light faulty or open circuit
    802819 AHM: Terminal 30F_B: Voltage supply missing/disrupted
    E55401 Message (drive train, 0x3F9) incorrect, receiver AHM, transmitter DME/DDE
    E55403 Message (speed, 0x1A1) faulty, receiver AHM, transmitter ICM
    E55404 Message (kilometre reading/range, 0x330) faulty, receiver AHM, transmitter KOMBI
    E55408 Message fault (power management, consumer/load control, 0x3B3): receiver AHM, transmitter DME/DDE
    E55409 Message (relative time, 0x328) incorrect, receiver AHM, transmitter KOMBI
    INTEGRATED CHASSIS MANAGEMENT (ICMQL) (ICM_25) 9 Faults
    480113 DTC button, continuous operation
    480134 ICM: direction of travel cannot be determined
    480114 Information: Driving experience switch temporarily deactivated
    480131 ICM: Internal control unit fault
    D014A1 EPS interface (actual position EPS, 51.0.2): Signal invalid
    D017A3 DSC interface (actual number of sensor edges wheel, 64.1.2): Signal invalid
    D017C5 Interface DSC (actual speed, wheel, 46.0.1): signal invalid
    D01509 Signal (status, PDC function, 241.1.2) undefined, transmitter JBE/PMA/REM
    D02C67 DSC interface (status, DSC stabilisation, 47.1.2): Signal invalid
    CENTRAL GATEWAY MODULE (ZGW) (ZGW_01) 4 Faults
    CD0420 ZGM, FlexRay controller signalling fault
    CD0487 ZGM: Synchronisation process for FlexRay failed
    CD1410 Message (system time, 0x328) incorrect, receiver ZGM, transmitter KOMBI
    CD1400 Message (vehicle condition, 0x3A0) incorrect, receiver ZGM, transmitter FEM-ZGM / JBE / CAS / DME
    JUNCTION-BOX ELECTRONICS (JBBF) (JBBF3) 3 Faults
    8020E8 Reset or deactivation of terminal 30F
    8020D9 SCA rear-lid contact switch: SCA and rear lid jammed, lock faulty or short circuit to ground
    030350 Steering column switch cluster (SZL): No LIN-slave
    DYNAMIC STABILITY CONTROL (DSC) (DSC_25) 3 Faults
    480714 Wheel speed sensor: Continuous control, front right
    4809CD Wheel speed sensor: Drive-off recognition, front right
    48068C Transfer box: Temporary fault, temperature
    DIGITAL ENGINE ELECTRONICS (MOTOR) (MSV90) 3 Faults
    118602 Mixture control: exhaust gas after catalytic converter too lean
    128401 Oxygen sensor 2 before catalytic converter, system check: Signal, constantly rich
    213601 Power management: closed-circuit current violation
    CENTRAL INFORMATION DISPLAY (CID) (CID_25) 2 Faults
    E5D402 No message (relative time, 0x328), receiver CID, transmitter instrument panel (instrument panel)
    E5D420 No message (LCD brightness control, 0x393), receiver CID, transmitter instrument panel (instrument panel)
    INTEGRATED AUTOMATIC HEATING / AIR CONDITIONING (KLIMA) (IHKA25) 1 fault
    E71442 Interface instrument panel (distance travelled, kilometres, 0x330): Signal invalid
    FUNCTION CENTRE, ROOF (FZD) (FZD3) 1 fault
    DE9406 No message (data drive train 2, 0x3F9), receiver FZD, transmitter DME/DDE
    CAR ACCESS SYSTEM (CAS) (CAS4_2) 1 fault
    D91410 Message (drive train 2 data, 230.0.2) incorrect, receiver CAS, transmitter DME / DDE
    PARKING BRAKE (EMF) (EMF_10) 1 fault
    D3AC8D DSC interface (status, hydraulic function, 25D): Signal invalid
    COMBOX EMERGENCY CALL (ECALL) (CECALL) 1 fault
    B7F321 CBX-ECALL: Software reset
    TRANSFER BOX (LMV) (LMV_01) 1 fault
    440117 Transfer box (VTG): All-wheel drive transfer box temporarily shut down - clutch protection
    Modules with no faults:
    CAR INFORMATION COMPUTER (MMI) (CIC) No faults
    INSTRUMENT CLUSTER (KOMBI) (KOMB01) No faults
    ELECTRONIC TRANSMISSION MANAGEMENT (EGS) (GSB231) No faults
    ELECTRONIC FUEL-PUMP CONTROL (EKP) (EKP301) No faults
    COMBOX MULTIMEDIA (TEL) (CMEDIA) No faults
    GEAR LEVER SWITCH (GWS) (GWS2) No faults
    SEAT MODULE, DRIVER (FAS) (FAS_12) No faults
    ELECTROMECHANICAL POWER STEERING (EPS) (EPS_25) No faults
    CRASH SAFETY MODULE (AIRBAG) (ACSM4) No faults
    TOP HI-FI AMPLIFIER (AMP) (AMPT07) No faults
    CONTROLLER (ZBE/CON) (ZBE_01) No faults
    PARK DISTANCE CONTROL (PDC) (PDC_01) No faults
    TYRE PRESSURE MONITOR (RDC) (RDCUDS) No faults
    REAR-LID LIFT (HKL) (HKL_01) No faults
    ALLROUND / REAR VIEW CAMERA (TRSVC) (TRSVC01) No faults
    Diagnostic Report compiled by Autologic Diagnostics


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    I was told that the codes had just been cleared by an Indie BMW shop, no diagnosis made.

    Codes which reset instantly when the car was moved were the two Transfer case related codes.

    I suspected a bad transfer case, or, because the violent stop which felt like drivetrain lock-up happened when the wheel was turned, perhaps a front diff issue. I couldn't bring myself to leave the parking lot, because the violence of the reaction made me think I'd hurt something expensive.

    But this morning, I decided to unplug the ABS/DSC, on a hunch. And, while I got even MORE warning messages ("End of the world is Nigh", etc.), the violence stopped, and the car could steer again.

    Pulled up live data for wheel speed sensors, and sure enough, RF read zero, with others showing a speed. Swapped RF with LF, and zero reading followed sensor, so I ordered sensor.

    Replaced sensor, cleared codes, and none returned, and car drove perfectly.

    I'm quite amazed that a single bad wheel speed sensor could have caused not only the horrible violent behavior, but dozens of codes from a dozen computers!

    Live and learn....



    Fun job #2 -- and Land Rovers are NEVER fun!

    ~2010 (? I forget?) Land Rover Discovery. Ford 5 liter V8. Towed in, dumps coolant.
    Local Land Rover dealership had told owner he needed a new engine, that this one had exploded due to overheat. Cost will be $14,000. Unquote.

    Customer wanted a second opinion, had the car towed to us.

    Cooling system poured water out near water pump as fast as I put it in. Not an easy engine to see, so I asked for two hours to take it apart and diag. Pulled intake manifold and tons of plumbing....and found a broken plastic water manifold, in the "V".

    Ordered and replaced the part, sealed everything up again, and car runs great, no issues, no overheating on 2 long drive cycles, up a steep mountain. Saved the customer ~$13,500.



    And, well, there are the two incredibly beautiful women with two Minis which need help....I'd work on their cars for FREE!

    A good week, all in all!
    Happy Friday, friends.

    Chris Powell
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    Master Auto Tech, owner of German Motors of Aberdeen
    BMWCCA 274412
    German Motors is hiring ! https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...1#post30831471

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    It's always satisfying to solve what seems like a big, complicated problem with a simple and elegant solution.





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    Great Work Chris!! What isit with women and MINI's They are awful cars lol where are the girls from :p
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    Who cares why girls love them? The important thing is that GIRLS LOVE THEM. So if we can fix them, we have a good way to make ourselves attractive to girls, right?


    Umph, sorry...met the most deliriously gorgeous woman today, I've got to fix her Mini. She calls it "BadAss". Hers is seriously magnificent, maybe the best I've ever seen.
    Last edited by bmwdirtracer; 08-26-2017 at 12:48 PM.

    Chris Powell
    Racer and Instructor since, well. decades, ok?
    Master Auto Tech, owner of German Motors of Aberdeen
    BMWCCA 274412
    German Motors is hiring ! https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...1#post30831471

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    I'm sure our lovely forum mod Scott appreciates a M3 rear bumper too :p Chris forget BMW's teach me how to fix MINI's!!
    C217 S63 AMG S Cabriolet ( Daily )

    E87 116i with mild cams, headers, cold air intake making 136 bhp Lol (My Learning Track Car)

    E36 328i Sport ( Project in making and future race/track car )

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    @bmwdirtracer

    I'm glad your problem was solved. I've been having kind of similar problem with my 2011 BMW X3 28i Xdrive. A few months ago the following lights came on (ABS, Park, Traction control, Brake and 4x4). The car brakes and drives perfectly fine. I took my car to the BMW dealer and they said that my DSC module was internally damaged and that I had to replace my DSC Unit, which was going to cost around $4,500 (parts + labor + re-coding).

    I asked them to give me all the codes they found and they gave me the following: (the ones in bold/red are the some of the same codes you also had)
    - 480131 [ICM: Internal Control Unit Fault]
    - D017A3 [DSC interface (actual number of sensor edges wheel, 64.1.2): Signal invalid]
    - D017C5 [Interface DSC (actual speed, wheel, 46.0.1): Signal invalid]
    - D3AC8D [DSC interface (status, hydraulic function, 25D): Signal invalid]
    - 480A5B [DSC unit: Internal, pump, speed]
    - 800F92 [Welcome light, repeat interlock, active]
    - 801405 [CON: undervoltage]
    - B7F6B4 [Instrument panel: Switch-off fault in the display unit, no signal]
    - E114DB [Instrument panel: Demand based service message, message from CBS subscriber (BBH) missing]
    - E114DC [Instrument panel: Demand based service message, message from CBS subscriber (BBH) missing]

    I purchased a used DSC unit from eBay, but the DSC module needs to be coded with my current VIN and dealer said they will not reset the code and that I have to buy either a whole new DSC unit or the DSC module by itself, which is actually a bit cheaper but its still going to cost around $1,200.00

    I have also contacted a few places I found online that rebuild DSC modules [modulemaster and myairbags] and I was told that they don't work on the DSC modules from BMW X3 2011 and up.

    I guess my question is, where do I start? What do you recommend me doing first to rule out other simpler and cheapest causes?
    Just FYI, I don't have any diagnostic scanners, which i'm sure I'll be needing. Is there one that you recommend??

    I really appreciate you​r help. Last few months have been so frustrating, especially every time I start the car and having to stare at these stupid lights.
    Thank you

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    I am having a similar problem, but after I went to change a fuse for the door locks. I pulled a few of the wrong fuses, due to bad vision / negative 10 temperatures whilst laying in the footwell. Finally got the right fuse in and the door locks worked. Car started fine....but will not go into gear or indicate a gear or park. Transmission Malfunction, airbag malfunction and drive malfunction all come up. Brakes too. Car is basically an immobile brick.

    I checked the fuses I had previously pulled and they are all good (2 other fuses, one of which was fuse 36, a similar blue 15 amp fuse to the door locks.). This is a transmission fuse. I notice that the shift lever does not light up, making me think the lever itself might be dead. There is also no position indication on the dash now (P, N, D...)

    Any ideas?

    Thank you!

    Art

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    2011 X3 Transmission Failure Indication

    I am having a similar problem, but after I went to change a fuse for the door locks. I pulled a few of the wrong fuses, due to bad vision / negative 10 temperatures whilst laying in the footwell. Finally got the right fuse in and the door locks worked. Car started fine....but will not go into gear or indicate a gear or park. Transmission Malfunction, airbag malfunction and drive malfunction all come up. Brakes too. Car is basically an immobile brick.

    I checked the fuses I had previously pulled and they are all good (2 other fuses, one of which was fuse 36, a similar blue 15 amp fuse to the door locks.). This is a transmission fuse. I notice that the shift lever does not light up, making me think the lever itself might be dead. There is also no position indication on the dash now (P, N, D...)

    Any ideas?

    Thank you!

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    This isn't the thread for just adding general questions. You need to start your own thread for something like that, and you need to COMPLETELY identify the car, including the engine/model...not just X3.

    All that said, you need two things: You need to go back into the fuse box and put everything right. Obviously you didn't do this. Secondly, you're going to need a BMW specific scan tool which can read all BMW codes from every computer...and erase them, after diagnosing and fixing the issues. (For instance, airbag codes will not delete themselves and turn off the light, even after fixing it - you have to clear them. A generic scan tool is of no use to you here.

    Looks like you'll be having the car towed to a BMW specialist shop. I'd say you can find one easily where you live, but since it doesn't get to negative ten in SF, I guess your location is incorrect.

    Chris Powell
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    No "fun" this week, MD safety inspection on grand daughters Jeep is $300 so far, and tags are expiring cuz the inspector has been out sick, got a new ball joint press tool to replace pretty good ball joints, and a new wheel bearing for a perfect old one!, replaced all the "non standard"lights with stock less safe ones!!, did fix the parking brake, the only real problem.

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    Wow! Here you honk your horn, they check your turn signals and lights actually work, and away you go.

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