2017 Austrian GP @ Red Bull Ring

[auaq]

Okay, lets not clutter up this thread with the Baku incident please and let's just move on with the upcoming race in the next two weekends. If you still intend to talk about it then talk in the other thread and not here.

Drivers	Championship Points
Sebastian Vettel	153
Lewis Hamilton	139
Valtteri Bottas	111
Daniel Ricciardo	92
Kimi Raikkonen	73
Max Verstappen	45
Sergio Perez	44
Esteban Ocon	35
Carlos Sainz	29
Felipe Massa	20
Nico Hulkenberg	18
Lance Stroll	17
Kevin Magnussen	11
Romain Grosjean	10
Pascal Wehrlein	5
Daniil Kvyatt	4
Fernando Alonso	2
Jolyon Palmer	0
Marcus Ericsson	0
Stoffel Vandoorne	0
Antonio Giovinazzi	0

Constructors	Championship Points
Mercedes	250
Ferrari	226
RBR	137
Force India	79
Williams	37
Toro Rosso	33
Haas	21
Renault	18
Sauber	5
Mclaren	2

[ELVA164]

VETEL sUX

[Yonkers320is]

I think Vettel is going to be sent to the back of the grid as a penalty, the way everyone is talking. Hamilton wins, Ricciardo, Bottas. Kimi clashes with Verstappen, 10 second stop go for him.....

[ELVA164]

Kimi will contact someone, that's for sure.

[xxxxxxx]

Vettel penalized.

Ham, Bot, Rai.

Really hoping Ferrari, heck anyone, can find some more power to take Merc...

[Yonkers320is]

this Vettel - hamilton deal is very similar to the Rossi vs MMarquez in Motogp, where Rossi was penalized by having to start from the back of the grid/

[MagneZium]

Well clearly Vettel is a racist, committed a hate crime, tried to kill Hamilton so he should be locked up for 20 years in solitary confinement.
Not to mention he apparently should be exorcised too.

[burninator]

This whole thing is so ridiculous, and being blown completely out of proportion in true 2017 fashion. Austria needs to go ahead and happen, as it seems like getting to the next race weekend is the only thing that will end this madness.

[auaq]

People are still upset, furious, and still talking about the incident. I honestly have no care whether he gets a race ban or face more punishment. It's not like the championship is over yet. We're only half way through. He could come back and grab his fifth title and rank alongside the great Fangio. Or Lewis win his fourth title. For all I care the is battle to continue.

[ELVA164]

He could come back and grab his fifth title and rank alongside the great Fangio

Talk about unequal equals, huh?

[Vªmp]

Nice press conference. The demon Vettel finally admits fault

[auaq]

So 2021 may see new engines. Supposedly twin turbos and making the engines lighter than the current engines weighing up-to 145kg+.


http://www.f1technical.net/news/2129...e848f8ea271dde

[Stuttgart951]

People are still upset, furious, and still talking about the incident.

Aside from the media, I can't say I see much of anyone else up in arms over anything.

[Yonkers320is]

So 2021 may see new engines. Supposedly twin turbos and making the engines lighter than the current engines weighing up-to 145kg+.


http://www.f1technical.net/news/2129...e848f8ea271dde

that is with the hybrid unit too? the honda v10 from the 90s was 88kg and made 968hp according to the boss of FI, who was saying Mclaren should stay with Honda.

[Stuttgart951]

So 2021 may see new engines. Supposedly twin turbos and making the engines lighter than the current engines weighing up-to 145kg+.

http://www.f1technical.net/news/2129...e848f8ea271dde

I'm not suffering through another decade of two-stroke F1 cars and what should be called the race to irrelevancy.

[BoldUlysses]

I'm not suffering through another decade of two-stroke F1 cars and what should be called the race to irrelevancy.

+1000

Just give the constructor some basic parameters and let them do whatever the hell they want. Seriously.

What made F1's turbo era so fascinating was the variety of engine configurations on the grid. Loved it.

[auaq]

I once said this back in one of 2012 thread that like Le mans F1 should also have the freedom with their own ways of making power. Le mans have had from I4 to V4 to 120* V6 to V8 engines coupled with some electric motor either driven off from the flywheel or from the turbos or from another reusable energy source. It made the racing a lot more interesting, entertaining, and there was really good competition back then and it is still now. I wouldn't mind seeing the return of more than one configuration of cylinder block and the number of cylinders. I would graciously welcome it.

[Yonkers320is]

Ferrari engine boss split, maybe going to Honda?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...1-engine-chief

[auaq]

Ferrari engine boss split, maybe going to Honda?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...1-engine-chief

Maybe he could finally teach the Japanese how make a proper pizza?

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that is with the hybrid unit too? the honda v10 from the 90s was 88kg and made 968hp according to the boss of FI, who was saying Mclaren should stay with Honda.

There is no way the Honda V10's of the early 90's ever made 900+ HP.

[Yonkers320is]

Maybe he could finally teach the Japanese how make a proper pizza?

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There is no way the Honda V10's of the early 90's ever made 900+ HP.

"What I found was that the guys who had worked in the third generation project [from the late 1990s] who had come from the second generation [1980s] had very good knowledge of F1 and what it takes," said Szafnauer via Autosport.

"They were able to put the programme together in order to compete at the highest level.

"I remember when Takeo Kiuchi, who was [Ayrton] Senna and [Alain] Prost's race engineer came in, within two or three years we had the lightest and most powerful V10 engine.

"He knew what it took it and he did it. We ended up with 968bhp and 88kg, which was just a little bit lighter than the BMW and a little bit more powerful.

"What they are lacking this time around is that experience of what it takes.

maybe in qualifying mode?

[auaq]

Wait, which era is he talking about? 2000's? Then sure they definitely made a lot of power especially in the years of 2004-05. The 1989-90's? I'm not so sure about those numbers.

Honda were barely able to break the 800hp barrier, and so were the Renault's too. Both engine manufacturers were peaking up to 700+ hp. Highest record I know was around ~740 hp from Renault. When Honda switched from V10's to V12's in 1991 their power band dropped back down initially to 650bhp and was apparently slower than the predecessors of late 1989 and 1990. It took a while to rise back to the top of their rivals which was Renault only. Yet again the engines were still in the region of 800+ bhp range.

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Maybe in the qualifying mode did they turned up every engine parameter to make ~900hp.

[Stuttgart951]

Somewhere on YouTube, there is video of Honda putting what I believe is a 2001 engine through a one-lap Suzuka simulation and, if I recall correctly, the dyno needle does inch past the 900 mark. No idea what mode it may have been in.

[auaq]

Somewhere on YouTube, there is video of Honda putting what I believe is a 2001 engine through a one-lap Suzuka simulation and, if I recall correctly, the dyno needle does inch past the 900 mark. No idea what mode it may have been in.

Yep, have seen that plentiful number of times and that's a 2000's era engine. Not sure for which team/chassis/year it was built for though.



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I want to say BAR f1 team.

[xxxxxxx]

+1000

Just give the constructor some basic parameters and let them do whatever the hell they want. Seriously.

What made F1's turbo era so fascinating was the variety of engine configurations on the grid. Loved it.

This. Let them have the freedom to go nuts.

Not a fan of the way things are headed.

Halo's and safety taken too far, irrelevant technologies, neutered, fake & pandering personalities required from drivers.

They just can't help themselves.

[auaq]

What a sound!