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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniff38 View Post
    Nothing "fishy." The reason for the two bids by the same bidder is his 1st bid (at $24.8K) did not meet the seller's reserve. He obviously wanted the car so he had to bid $26.8K to get it. I've noticed the seller (carsschmitt.com) always lists lower opening bids that are never enough to buy the car. From what I gather they are a patient dealership with very nice cars and they don't mind holding out until they get their price.

    I've contemplated putting my 36K-mile 6-speed 850i up for sale but know I could never replace it (the documentation, service records, and single ownership prior to me make it unique IMO). I sold my 1989 911 turbo in 2012 right before those cars literally tripled in value. I'd hate to sell my E31 now and realize next year I gave it away.

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    That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. I'm with you on the sale of your current car.

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    Getting back to the thread title, there does seem to be a shift toward more modern classics, notably by discerning collectors buying at auction. A recent UK auction was a case in point, where all of the pre-war classic machines on offer were outsold by 70's sports cars.
    It follows then, that good clean low mileage examples of the E31 will gain entry to this category.
    And of course, the CSi and Alpina models are already there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon850 View Post
    This just went for over 27k with 41k miles, don't see why the 22k miles example would sell for anything less than 30k.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-BMW-8-S...NYyY13&vxp=mtr
    Values must be going up because that is a lot of money for what I would consider to be one of the less desirable E31s. I think we are seeing a shift from buyers looking for the best driving experience to collectors. And no offense to any of you early 850i 4spd auto owners. Just not the version I would choose.

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    I think the current interest in e31s is being driven by the fact that people who grew up with pictures of them on their walls now have the disposable income to buy one and they will pay good $ for the really good, low mileage examples. It makes sense . . . just look at the Model T and pre-war vehicle market. Most of the folks who grew up dreaming about those cars are no longer with us -- hence the decrease in demand for those cars. In time I imagine the same will happen to the cars from the 1950's, then 60's muscle cars will follow, etc. Likewise you see an increased interest right now in cars from the 1980's and 90's . . . the Toyota Supra comes to mind.

    Of course superb examples from any period will always demand a premium. I hate to say it but a 300SL Gullwing or a 1960's 12-cyl Ferrari will always be out of my price range. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniff38 View Post
    I think the current interest in e31s is being driven by the fact that people who grew up with pictures of them on their walls now have the disposable income to buy one and they will pay good $ for the really good, low mileage examples. It makes sense . . . just look at the Model T and pre-war vehicle market. Most of the folks who grew up dreaming about those cars are no longer with us -- hence the decrease in demand for those cars. In time I imagine the same will happen to the cars from the 1950's, then 60's muscle cars will follow, etc. Likewise you see an increased interest right now in cars from the 1980's and 90's . . . the Toyota Supra comes to mind.

    Of course superb examples from any period will always demand a premium. I hate to say it but a 300SL Gullwing or a 1960's 12-cyl Ferrari will always be out of my price range. Oh well.

    Sean
    Just to make a quick correction. Model Ts and Model As will probably always be somewhat depressed. Ford made 15 million+ Model Ts over the course of 20+ years and some 5 million Model As. Crazy numbers.

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    And this guys is selling his car too cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Cartio View Post
    And this guys is selling his car too cheap

    https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=178353009
    Someone needs to either jump on that quick, or tell the seller he can add $10k to his asking price!

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    not so fast... that one is actually pretty neglected. Totally worth the $10k, but it isn't even in the same league as the BAT car

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    Would it be $10k worth of neglect?

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    Quite possibly, yes. He lists quite a bit of things that it needs right now, and you can bet there is a whole lot more deferred maintenance not listed... if there weren't, the list he does admit wouldn't be there.

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    This one seems like a better value to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon850 View Post
    This just went for over 27k with 41k miles, don't see why the 22k miles example would sell for anything less than 30k.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-BMW-8-S...NYyY13&vxp=mtr
    Your extrapolation logic is sound, but $27k is way outside 3 standard deviations (in the US anyway) for an early automatic, even with the low miles. The 22k mile example should set the bar. Unless there are at least two guys that gotta have Glacier Blue, I still don't see it going over $25k though. I'd love fr it to go that high, however IMHO low $20's is more likely. Should be an entertaining final 10 minutes!
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    A vet member here and I were looking at a 5000 dollar 850i with 40k miles on it year ago. I passed on it since the car had been in a garage for 15 years. Another local bought it and The car needed 10k worth of work.......it did come out nice at the end though.

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiCSi View Post
    Would it be $10k worth of neglect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoonz View Post
    This one seems like a better value to me...
    https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=170999242
    Agree....if it can be verified that it was not driven on the salty New England roads in winter. If it was a daily winter driver at any point, however, there are likely some body (and maybe other rust-related) repairs in the car's future.
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    '91 850i Mauritius Blue/Black --1 of 179

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex840 View Post
    A vet member here and I were looking at a 5000 dollar 850i with 40k miles on it year ago. I passed on it since the car had been in a garage for 15 years. Another local bought it and The car needed 10k worth of work.......it did come out nice at the end though.
    In view of the BAT auction that just closed that 40k mile car sure sounds like a bargain now doesn't it! Tony enjoyed it thoroughly.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torston View Post
    Anecdotally, an associate of mine was at Barret Jackson back in January. He said the 850i had a throng of people around it steady, and all the other cars near it were chopped liver.
    THIS I would love to see one day!
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    Well. The 22k miles blue car sold for $34138.
    Now that is a major boost in the value of the cars in general. This used to be CSi territory only 3-5 years ago.

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    Here's another low priced 840Ci, in white with 90k miles, located in Long Beach, CA.
    https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lg...202226950.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by taylorpatterson View Post
    THIS I would love to see one day!
    Demographics insures the shift happens NOW. Auctions that cater to Boomer's infatuation with muscle cars and the 1960's are going to get run over by the massive landslide in near modern classics. Porsche was the very tip of the spear, BMW, Mercedes, Audi and a pile of JDM forms the body and shaft there after. BMW is probably the premier brand here, eye catching designs, enough change up in product mix to appeal to a broad market, and a massive market for modifications, never mind one of the easiest brands to engine swap (Nissan is good for this too).

    If you have money to burn and space to use I'd be stashing away anything clean and rust free between e28 and e39. Today's E31 on BaT did not surprise me, the automatic 540i going for $20+ absolutely blows my mind though. Not a six speed, not a M5, that I did not see coming. When you start seeing automatic BMW's sell for all the money that should tell you everything you need to know about the supply and demand equation.

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    Very surprised this manual did not go for the asking price, I guess still alot of bottom feeders on Ebay.
    I know this car personally and even worked on it a bit. It is an incredibly nice 8.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-BMW-8-S...ZZUDP~&vxp=mtr

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    While I was shocked by the hammer price today on BaT for the 22k mile example, judging from the number of bidders who just HAD to have that particular car I still think it is an outlier. Take the eBay and CL examples above as closer to the average. When more average cars start to sell for silly money (remember that's how the e30 M3 craze started), then the real rush will be on.

    For many of us enthusiasts, it would be difficult to buy a car just to put it away as an investment. A wise man once told me that buying cars as investments is like buying art--you should always buy what you like and enjoy it first. That way if it does not appreciate as you had hoped, at least you will still like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon850 View Post
    Very surprised this manual did not go for the asking price, I guess still alot of bottom feeders on Ebay.
    I know this car personally and even worked on it a bit. It is an incredibly nice 8.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1991-BMW-8-S...ZZUDP~&vxp=mtr
    I think you are correct. All the serious buyers are now on BaT. eBay still has too much risk which BaT mitigates by realtime conversation between the seller and the potential buyers (and those of us in the peanut gallery )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniff38 View Post
    I think the current interest in e31s is being driven by the fact that people who grew up with pictures of them on their walls now have the disposable income to buy one and they will pay good $ for the really good, low mileage examples. It makes sense . . . just look at the Model T and pre-war vehicle market. Most of the folks who grew up dreaming about those cars are no longer with us -- hence the decrease in demand for those cars. In time I imagine the same will happen to the cars from the 1950's, then 60's muscle cars will follow, etc. Likewise you see an increased interest right now in cars from the 1980's and 90's . . . the Toyota Supra comes to mind.

    Of course superb examples from any period will always demand a premium. I hate to say it but a 300SL Gullwing or a 1960's 12-cyl Ferrari will always be out of my price range. Oh well.

    Sean
    spot on !

    add to that:
    - over 30.000 e31's produced......will never become a blue-chip car (maybe the alpina 5.7). Only BMW in that list is a BMW 507 (252 produced, unique stunning car)
    - it might enter the german collectible index.......(bmw 2002tii is in that list and has far larger production numbers, but the M1 is also in that list ..... 399 pcs....Italian design, chasis by lambo, mid engine)

    Convinced it will stay collectible, but how desirable !?
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    Dam! I guess I'll just have to keep mine. Since I'm not going to get rich selling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetmex View Post
    Here's a day dreamer that owns a one off car...

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    At that price, they could have put a little more effort into the ad.
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