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    Quote Originally Posted by clubE31 View Post
    yep... market determines the price and people value the EU CSI more at the moment, difficult to argue against.....(might change, my 2 cents it will not ....).
    Says the owner of not 1, but 2 Euro CSIs. Well done! I can't imagine owning a CSI. Considering how rare they are, and how scarce parts are, I would never drive it.
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    I would own both versions. I'm in the process of getting a Euro one as well. I value and love both versions equally as much. I'd say both should be worth the same. They each have different qualities and beauties.

    I bet most of you who belittle the US version have never owned or driven one yet you comment about it as if you've owned and driven 10 of them.

    All my statements are based on real personal experiences.

    Anyway. Time will show what'll happen to the values. I predict they will be worth the same over time.



    Quote Originally Posted by 72tpik5 View Post
    I wonder if you would have the same opinion if you owned a Euro CSI? Just asking a question, no insult intended. The Euro version does seem to have the options that most 8 owners lust for. If I had the opportunity to choose between a Euro and US CSI, same condition, mileage, etc, I would buy the Euro version without question. IMHO (which has no value what so ever) The market will dictate current prices, original sale prices have no impact on today's numbers. My 97 stickered for $105k, a ridiculous number, which has no relevance on it's value today. But I sure wish that it did!
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    I want a Euro spec CSi just for those nifty headlight sprayers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Cartio View Post
    I would own both versions. I'm in the process of getting a Euro one as well. I value and love both versions equally as much. I'd say both should be worth the same. They each have different qualities and beauties.

    I bet most of you who belittle the US version have never owned or driven one yet you comment about it as if you've owned and driven 10 of them.

    All my statements are based on real personal experiences.

    Anyway. Time will show what'll happen to the values. I predict they will be worth the same over time.
    My apologies Alec, if you perceived that I was belittling the US CSI. Definitely not. When I said if I owned a CSI, I would never drive it, that is either version. They are both almost irreplaceable and a true collector car in my opinion.

    Sincerely, Mike.
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    It's all good Mike. thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 72tpik5 View Post
    My apologies Alec, if you perceived that I was belittling the US CSI. Definitely not. When I said if I owned a CSI, I would never drive it, that is either version. They are both almost irreplaceable and a true collector car in my opinion. Sincerely, Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taylorpatterson View Post
    ...Same with my white one. It's in such perfectly (Euro) stock condition, that once it's perfected soon...
    You are not going to "upgrade" the suspension on this one, are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 72tpik5 View Post
    Says the owner of not 1, but 2 Euro CSIs. Well done! I can't imagine owning a CSI. Considering how rare they are, and how scarce parts are, I would never drive it.
    yep I might be influenced...
    But it is the same with: is a manual worth more than an automatic (in general for classic cars)......or the otherway around....... (same base price)....... collectors tend to go for rare and original designed versions.
    And if I thought a USA CSI would be a better investment I would have bought one years ago (at that time cheap and the USD had a favorable exchange rate).......I decided not to buy one.

    Nothing to with is it better or not....... still an S70 powered manual shift car and still an 850 (love the design) and it is a CSI so will be worth money.

    Agree: I drive them less...... will probably sell one anyway (one on the left) and the other one i keep (only csi in this color combi), just not enough time for both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clubE31 View Post
    yep I might be influenced...
    But it is the same with: is a manual worth more than an automatic (in general for classic cars)......or the otherway around....... (same base price)....... collectors tend to go for rare and original designed versions.
    And if I thought a USA CSI would be a better investment I would have bought one years ago (at that time cheap and the USD had a favorable exchange rate).......I decided not to buy one.

    Nothing to with is it better or not....... still an S70 powered manual shift car and still an 850 (love the design) and it is a CSI so will be worth money.

    Agree: I drive them less...... will probably sell one anyway (one on the left) and the other one i keep (only csi in this color combi), just not enough time for both.
    I was thinking of asking you which one was your favorite and why. Now we know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Cheese View Post
    You are not going to "upgrade" the suspension on this one, are you?
    Nope - CSi springs were where I wanted to take the black one but never got around to it so I'm keeping those on the white one. If anything, I *might* one day do Bilsteins valved to HD (medium) like the black one. That was the optimal setup according to the math. But for now, she's staying just like she is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 72tpik5 View Post
    I was thinking of asking you which one was your favorite and why. Now we know.
    Both are 100% stock and well maintained, drive the same.
    My favourite: interior is new (really) special two tone leather and dark wood and original factory phone, liner 100% new, now on 17" alpina's but once I restored my 18" alpina set I will put these on (throwing stars I have as well). Maybe I put on an alpina hood (easy to swap back).


    That's also why i like the USA CSI's..... interior is much "richer", my second one is a EURO SCI with luxury USA interior with sportseats and steering wheel, the other one (left) is black/black (a bit boring but very popular in europe !).

    I have a full factory wood set (center, doors and dash in light wood) but never put it in the black/black one because it is not factory delivered that way, if i sell it it might be an option for the new owner, would make the car look much better.
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    Any exotic and bright colors in your stash of CSi's? Like yellow or Red?

    Quote Originally Posted by clubE31 View Post
    Both are 100% stock and well maintained, drive the same. My favourite: interior is new (really) special two tone leather and dark wood and original factory phone, liner 100% new, now on 17" alpina's but once I restored my 18" alpina set I will put these on (throwing stars I have as well). Maybe I put on an alpina hood (easy to swap back). That's also why i like the USA CSI's..... interior is much "richer", my second one is a EURO SCI with luxury USA interior with sportseats and steering wheel, the other one (left) is black/black (a bit boring but very popular in europe !). I have a full factory wood set (center, doors and dash in light wood) but never put it in the black/black one because it is not factory delivered that way, if i sell it it might be an option for the new owner, would make the car look much better.
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    Present day CSi values are quite subjective, being equally as dependent upon market conditions as they are on specification, mileage, condition and history, etc.
    However the original pricing of these cars should have been a lot more clear-cut, and in my view buyers of the US-spec CSi got an extremely raw deal from the importers, considering all of the deleted items of equipment and a standard US specification which offered zero options (not unlike the NA-spec E28 M5 debacle).
    Based upon the value of the deleted hardware alone, the US CSi should have been at least $US15k cheaper than its ECE counterpart at the time.
    The cost of the AHK system itself was DM12,500 ($US9k), while the two oil coolers, big brakes, aero-mirrors, different lights and two-tone sports seats would not have been cheap items either.
    So the 'ex-factory' cost of producing these cars was much lower than the Euro-spec CSi's, but the US importers managed to convince buyers that a few embellishments like wood trim, embossed door handles and an M-gear knob, somehow made up for this.

    I'd like to drive a stock US-spec CSi some day to compare the performance, as it must be considerably lighter than the Euro version without all the aforementioned equipment installed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taylorpatterson View Post
    But for now, she's staying just like she is.

    See, he left "wiggle" room!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Cartio View Post
    Any exotic and bright colors in your stash of CSi's? Like yellow or Red?
    Dakar Yellow is one of my favourite E31 colours, and very rare in a CSi - there were only seven built, of which two were RHD and the remaining five examples were Euro LHD's.
    One of the two yellow RHD CSi's is owned by a friend of mine here in NZ....very pretty car, although the jury's out on that rear spoiler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Cartio View Post
    Any exotic and bright colors in your stash of CSi's? Like yellow or Red?
    Like the Dakar at Hal's birthday party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedBobo View Post
    Like the Dakar at Hal's birthday party?
    Yes of course Ron. That one is spoken for by me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Cartio View Post
    Any exotic and bright colors in your stash of CSi's? Like yellow or Red?
    O yes... yellow or purple ! (but in EU it is mainly black, Blue, silver and red.... the "safe" colors). I thought off repainting the the right one ... deep black/purple in glass finish......but currently that would not be smart (will loose value).
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