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    New to the e23 board, recent e23 purchase

    I've been active on this site for a long time with my e24, but I just picked up an e23 on Friday, so I'll be spending some time searching this site for info. It's a euro 728i. It came nicely equipped for a euro, including a power sunroof, AC, cruise, power windows and a 5-speed. It came in a euro only color, Gazellnbeige with a Natural leather interior (brown). It only has '89K miles on it, and has nice original paint.

    I have lots of work to do on it. As you might have guessed, there are issues with the HVAC. The auto locking feature is not working (assuming it has auto locks in all the doors, trunk and gas tank}, and the cruise doesn't work. Other than that everything else is working well.

    I'm in the market for euro headlights and grills, so if anyone has any that fit the late model cars let me know. I'm also in the market for a better steering wheel, maybe a BMW Mtech wheel, or a Nardi with black spokes. If you have any of those items, PM me.

    The grill and lights that are currently on the car will be for sale after I get the euro set. Also the rear bumper and rear lower valance will be for sale (I have new replacements for those already), along with the taillight lenses. If you are interested in those PM me.

    The car drives great. I love the feel of the e23, something about driving a big luxury car with a manual trans that is just great experience. It is in serious need of new shocks and springs, I think it has the original set. I have new set of Bilsteins and H&R springs ready to install.

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    Euro '85 635csi E24, '03 E46 325xi wagon 5-speed, '05 325xi sedan 5-speed, '67 VW Bug, '14 F150, '17 Jetta
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    Sounds weird saying this since we were in the E24 forum for years, but welcome
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    Thanks Freshbread! Do you still have the 745? That was a really cool e24 that you had. Do you miss it?

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    I do still have the 745i. I pondered selling it after 6 months, but I enjoy it too much now.


    I'll always miss the E24, but it was time
    alpinweiß on anthrazit buffalo 1984 745i, 2014 Fiesta ST, 1984 635csi 1986 635csi 1987 L6 1999 M coupe 2002 M3 1995 325i 1976 200​2, 2001 996 TT 1994 850 T5 wagon 1998 GTi VR6 1983 scirocco

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmac156 View Post
    I've been active on this site for a long time with my e24, but I just picked up an e23 on Friday, so I'll be spending some time searching this site for info. It's a euro 728i. It came nicely equipped for a euro, including a power sunroof, AC, cruise, power windows and a 5-speed. It came in a euro only color, Gazellnbeige with a Natural leather interior (brown). It only has '89K miles on it, and has nice original paint.

    I have lots of work to do on it. As you might have guessed, there are issues with the HVAC. The auto locking feature is not working (assuming it has auto locks in all the doors, trunk and gas tank}, and the cruise doesn't work. Other than that everything else is working well.

    I'm in the market for euro headlights and grills, so if anyone has any that fit the late model cars let me know. I'm also in the market for a better steering wheel, maybe a BMW Mtech wheel, or a Nardi with black spokes. If you have any of those items, PM me.

    The grill and lights that are currently on the car will be for sale after I get the euro set. Also the rear bumper and rear lower valance will be for sale (I have new replacements for those already), along with the taillight lenses. If you are interested in those PM me.

    The car drives great. I love the feel of the e23, something about driving a big luxury car with a manual trans that is just great experience. It is in serious need of new shocks and springs, I think it has the original set. I have new set of Bilsteins and H&R springs ready to install.

    <img src="https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=600245"/><img src="https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=600246"/>
    I've got both models. Wonder how many us are in this group .

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    Seems I know a car with that color scheme, Gazellenbeige/Nutria leather. Very German look to that color combo. Only the E30 made it to the US in gazellenbeige

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    The forum software sure sucks these days with my machine. Tried to load already stored pics no dice, tried an edit nada. I'll just post another post.

    Have you run the last 7 of the vin through bxixmxmxexrxixnxfxox www.bimmer.work to find out the options codes that where factory installed?

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    Welcome!

    You need a rebuilt cruise amp to fix that issue, no big deal. An MB guy does mine for these cars. http://www.cruisecontrolrepair.com/ Many times the E23 ones become water logged and that kills the board. I highly recommend new throttle and cruise cables before testing the system. My 07/83 745i does not have factory cruise, weird!

    HVAC is easy, just time consuming...you have the more simple version, you can rebuild the pods in yours for $6 each except the rear area which requires an MB part to fix for less. I have posted this info many times, a quick search with my name will help you get started on it. You could just have a broken 'T' connector at the vacuum reservoir.

    Do you have the ETM for these cars? System is very simple and probably similar to your E24. You could just have an unplugged stepper motor...ask me how I know.



    PS, I love your Hartge, Keith.
    I make E23 parts.
    09/1983 745i (stolen spring '13 around Houston, TX Achatgruen on nutria buffalo. 8481080)
    10/1984 745i
    11/1984 745i
    11/1984 735i (10:1-265/6)
    Ford, MB, and GM round out the pack.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hit Man X View Post



    PS, I love your Hartge, Keith.
    I'm just glad to see another Gazellen/Nutria car. How about that two animals and we know the colors!!

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    I agree...e23 and e24 are a perfect shark profile match

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    Very nice, great color, love the interior. I also recently bought an 84 728, but very basic, cloth, crank windows, no ac etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madman2 View Post
    I agree...e23 and e24 are a perfect shark profile match

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    I hope to get both of mine looking as good as yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigperm206 View Post
    I hope to get both of mine looking as good as yours.
    Its been a journey.... lots of money and sweat but definitely worth it

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    @Bigperm206, it's a great combination. Maybe I will see your e23 or e24 at a PNW event, looks like you are in Seattle?

    @8991xj I'm jealous. Love the wheels. I ran the VIN, everything matches what is on the car except it shows as having a cloth rear seat. I'm guessing that was replaced at the dealer before it left Germany. Also it had the badge delete, but the previous owner added the badge (which I like). It had something else that I can't get a clear translation on. Some people think it's clearcoat delete, but I don't think that is a real thing, but it could be undercoat delete, or no cosmoline in the engine bay.

    @HitmanX I've found a few of your posts, thanks for the info. I'm doing struts/springs first, then I'll dive into the HVAC stuff. maybe next week. I'm not on any significant timeline with this project, so I can take my time. Plan to start in the engine bay to see if there are any leaks there (I hope.....). I have a brand new dash that came wit the car, so if any of the issues extend into the cabin, I'll work on them while I have the dash out.

    I love all the pictures of the e23 and e24 together, I've been wanting to see this in my garage for a long time.
    Euro '85 635csi E24, '03 E46 325xi wagon 5-speed, '05 325xi sedan 5-speed, '67 VW Bug, '14 F150, '17 Jetta
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    Clear coat delete was a real thing, I have a parts car with that and the Cosmos car was also. Rear bench in fabric is something else, code is incorrect to modern translation. Hell, we finally figured out 440 was the Executive option. My 10/84 is a badge delete too.

    If dash is coming out, pull that heater box and replace the seals to the body as well as the heater core.
    I make E23 parts.
    09/1983 745i (stolen spring '13 around Houston, TX Achatgruen on nutria buffalo. 8481080)
    10/1984 745i
    11/1984 745i
    11/1984 735i (10:1-265/6)
    Ford, MB, and GM round out the pack.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dmac156 View Post
    @Bigperm206, it's a great combination. Maybe I will see your e23 or e24 at a PNW event, looks like you are in Seattle?

    @8991xj I'm jealous. Love the wheels. I ran the VIN, everything matches what is on the car except it shows as having a cloth rear seat. I'm guessing that was replaced at the dealer before it left Germany. Also it had the badge delete, but the previous owner added the badge (which I like). It had something else that I can't get a clear translation on. Some people think it's clearcoat delete, but I don't think that is a real thing, but it could be undercoat delete, or no cosmoline in the engine bay.

    @HitmanX I've found a few of your posts, thanks for the info. I'm doing struts/springs first, then I'll dive into the HVAC stuff. maybe next week. I'm not on any significant timeline with this project, so I can take my time. Plan to start in the engine bay to see if there are any leaks there (I hope.....). I have a brand new dash that came wit the car, so if any of the issues extend into the cabin, I'll work on them while I have the dash out.

    I love all the pictures of the e23 and e24 together, I've been wanting to see this in my garage for a long time.
    Dmac156, hoping to make it out to some events this summer. I'm actually just east of Seattle.

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    Mine has clear coat delete. It's the only reason the paint looks decent. My old e34 clear coat looked horrible before I painted it.

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    Gazellenbeige is not a metallic so it would not have clear coat.


    what are the SA codes you have questions about? The VIN decoder is using new new descriptions for old numbers and some of us know a few of the old numbers. Anything that your car does not have that is coded is suspect. Then there may be things that are options that we don't know of them as options that are coded differently. Like SA440 is a non-smoker option but on a 735/745 it is the Executive option.

    So what you got?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8991XJ View Post
    Gazellenbeige is not a metallic so it would not have clear coat.


    what are the SA codes you have questions about? The VIN decoder is using new new descriptions for old numbers and some of us know a few of the old numbers. Anything that your car does not have that is coded is suspect. Then there may be things that are options that we don't know of them as options that are coded differently. Like SA440 is a non-smoker option but on a 735/745 it is the Executive option.

    So what you got?
    I didn't find a VIN lookup on bimmerinfo.com, but this is what I found on the other sites:

    From Bimmer.work:

    286 Bmw Lm Rad/bmw Styling Bmw Lm Rad/bmw Styling
    314 Heated Windscreen Washer Nozzles Frontscheibenwaschduesen Beheizt
    320 Model Designation, Deletion Modellschriftzug Entfall
    350 Waermeschutzglas Gruen, Rundum Waermeschutzglas Gruen, Rundum
    401 Sliding/vent Roof, Electric Schiebe-hebedach, Elektrisch
    411 Window Lifts, Electric Fensterheber,elektrisch Vorn/hinten
    530 Air Conditioning Klimaanlage
    540 Cruise Control Geschwindigkeitsregelung
    667 Bmw Bavaria Electronic Ii Bmw Bavaria Electronic Ii
    682 Radioantenne Automatisch Radioantenne Automatisch
    690 Cassette Holder Cassettenhalterung
    915 Nur Boden Konserviert Nur Boden Konserviert

    Here is the actual invoice:

    20170517_060206[1].jpg

    This one is from ektbmw.com
    VIN: WBAFE710609407395
    Type code: 6571
    Model: 728 (EUR)
    E-F-R series: E23
    Series: 7
    Type: LIM
    Steering: LL
    Doors: 4
    Engine: M30
    Displacement: 2.80
    Power: 0 (0 hp)
    Drive: HECK
    Transmission: MECH
    Paint code: 128 - GAZELLENBEIGE
    Upholstery code: 1985-03-01
    Prod.date: 9407395 6571 128 0205 7' E23


    S286 BMW light alloy wheel BMW styling
    S314 Door mirror, driver lock, heated
    S320 Deleted, model lettering
    S350 Therm.insulat.glass green
    S401 Lift-up-and-slide-back sunroof, electric
    S411 Window lifts,electric,front/rear
    S530 Air conditioning
    S540 Cruise control
    S667 Radio BMW Professional RDS
    S682 Rear seat bench in fabric
    S690 Cassette holder
    S915 Omission of outer-skin preservation
    Euro '85 635csi E24, '03 E46 325xi wagon 5-speed, '05 325xi sedan 5-speed, '67 VW Bug, '14 F150, '17 Jetta
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    I edited my incorrect vin decoder.

    It seems the S682 was an automatic antenna but was changed to rear cloth. You car probably came with the nutria leather rear seat. Probably have the build tag with the SA codes on it stapled around one of the cross members of the seat bottom.

    S314 is driver and passenger heated mirrors, heated door lock and washer nozzles most of the time.

    Nice set of options on that car.

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    i was under the impression that 'deletion of outer skin preservation' was no cosmoline applied to the exterior of the car before shipping. For local market cars.
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    That makes sense because some colors don't have clearcoat.

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    Nice looking car! You are just down the road from me. I wish I had been more patient in looking for a replacement rear valance, since I ended up having one shipped over from the Netherlands
    sounds like I might have been able to pick yours up locally. Unless yours was also beat up, like mine.
    I hope to see you and your car around this summer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenHenriksen View Post
    Nice looking car! You are just down the road from me. I wish I had been more patient in looking for a replacement rear valance, since I ended up having one shipped over from the Netherlands
    sounds like I might have been able to pick yours up locally. Unless yours was also beat up, like mine.
    I hope to see you and your car around this summer!
    I'll PM you my contact info.
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