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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters Stoch View Post
    Am I the only one that has no idea the spring rate I have ? Mine are lime green.
    Usually aftermarket springs will have a part number on them which sometimes has to do with the spring rate in lbs or Nm.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonsalb View Post
    Lime green is 800 lbs.
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    I've got random wheel hop sometimes too... would a linear spring help in the rear or does that not matter. Mine are progressive.

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    I've had hop for a long time now. I've changed out everything in the rear and still had hop. I'm hoping the welding in the back will help but I won't be surprised if I still have hop.

    I'm not the one to give advice on the solution to eliminating hop until I have gotten rid of my hop.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mklock View Post
    I've got random wheel hop sometimes too... would a linear spring help in the rear or does that not matter. Mine are progressive.
    Theoretically, yes it would help.

    I have solid everything and linear (soft)springs and tck dampers (koni) and dont have any issues with hop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post
    ..........and dont have any issues with hop.
    You suck.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Wheel hop? Is that like when your at the drag strip and the front tires come off the ground through first gear?


    86 325es, 2.8L m50, S476sxe, ProEFI 128 ecu, e85, solid rear axle, TH400 trans, 28x10.5w slicks, zip ties, popsicle sticks, tape
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    Quote Originally Posted by someguy2800 View Post
    Wheel hop? Is that like when your at the drag strip and the front tires come off the ground through first gear?
    it would be if I did my runs in reverse.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someguy2800 View Post
    Wheel hop? Is that like when your at the drag strip and the front tires come off the ground through first gear?
    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    it would be if I did my runs in reverse.
    Hahahaha


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    lol, like a honda with rear steering. Some of those things wheel hop through the 1/8th mile!


    86 325es, 2.8L m50, S476sxe, ProEFI 128 ecu, e85, solid rear axle, TH400 trans, 28x10.5w slicks, zip ties, popsicle sticks, tape
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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    I've had hop for a long time now. I've changed out everything in the rear and still had hop. I'm hoping the welding in the back will help but I won't be surprised if I still have hop.

    I'm not the one to give advice on the solution to eliminating hop until I have gotten rid of my hop.
    Wheel hop is the result of an uncontrolled resonance that continues to have energy applied to it. There are cases where there might be 2 or 3 nodes caused by different elements that all line up, and they hide each other when trying to troubleshoot the cause. In our case the resonance could be the tire, half shafts, suspension pickup points, shock damping, or the chassis.

    On my black car, I never had wheel hop issues. That covered a range of tires from a 16" drag slick, 18" RA1s, and 17" street tires. I took the exact same subframe and mounted in my silver car, and now I have wheel hop. The differences:

    1.) - MCS 2 Way remote reservoir shocks (Silver Car) vs Moton Clubsport 2 way remote reservoir shocks (Black Car)
    2.) - 400 Lb/in springs (Silver Car) vs 450 Lb/in Springs (Black Car)
    3.) - DSS Halfshafts (Silver Car) vs Stock half shafts (Black Car)
    4.) - Poly RTABs (Silver Car) vs Spherical RTABs (Black Car)
    5.) - Stock E46 Chassis (Silver Car) vs 14 Point Caged E46 with subframe tie-ins (Black Car)

    If I were to guess the main contributors, it would be the Poly RTABs, and the stiffness of the chassis.

    My next step for me is to replace the Poly RTABs with spherical units.

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    I'll bet the whole floor of the car and all the mount points are deflecting like crazy. Cars aren't as stiff as people think.


    86 325es, 2.8L m50, S476sxe, ProEFI 128 ecu, e85, solid rear axle, TH400 trans, 28x10.5w slicks, zip ties, popsicle sticks, tape
    best time 9.06 @ 151.8 mph, best 60 foot 1.30

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    Quote Originally Posted by someguy2800 View Post
    I'll bet the whole floor of the car and all the mount points are deflecting like crazy. Cars aren't as stiff as people think.
    It's feasible.

    On the Black Car, I ran a tube at a 45 degree angle from the main hoop through the floor and tied it directly to the RTA pocket. The subframe was effectively bolted to the cage, so sheet metal flex wasn't a factor.

    I'd hate to do all that to a street car....

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    Pre 'Mini Build' rear end components resulting in massive wheel hop:

    PolyFlex black 95A poly subframe bushings shimmed for full contact

    Bimmerworld spherical RTABs

    Turner spherical lower control arms

    Stock upper control arms with recent rubber inboard bushings

    Spherical outer upper and lower control arms

    Solid aluminum diff mounts

    DSS 1,000,000 hp axles

    3.15 210 4 clutch LSD

    Reinforced rear subframe

    MCS 2-way shocks

    800 lb springs

    Alignment set at 1/8" total toe in & 1.0° camber

    17 x 9 wheel with Starspecs or NT-01's

    And a crap ton of popped spot welds.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Are the rear shocks in a coil-over configuration?

    I ran 700 and 750 in the rear on the black car, and it was a bit much on the street....but I also was running a UUC rear sway bar.

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    I am curious to see if this fixes your wheel hop. I think Dburt had a wheel-hoppy e36 until he fixed rusty/flimsy shock or spring mounts. I don't remember the details, but I think it was the previous shell of his twin turbo LS project, back when it was just nitrous. Maybe he can chime in.

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    My car wheel hopped with every combination of spring and tire and rust repair until i got a soft sidewall tire.

    This car will have stock springs and an auto so im hoping its better.

    It will also be on a soft tire most of the time
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    I guess my memory fails me, I thought the rust repair fixed the wheel hop.

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    I got the rear subframe, diff and control arm back the car last night. That was not very fun.
    Last edited by chikinhed; 04-08-2017 at 11:19 AM.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    I had to order rear sway bar end links because the ones that came with the Whiteline sway bar won't work with the e46 rear upper control arm. I bought the Turner ones. They are advertised to work with the e36 and e46 so I thought I couldn't go wrong. Of course they don't work, next comes fabricating mount brackets that will work....



    That ate into a bunch of my time.



    That was a lot of work and expense to put those e46 aluminum control arms in. Not a cost effective mod in the end but they are in.
    Last edited by chikinhed; 04-09-2017 at 07:00 AM.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Whats the benefit of the E46 aluminum control arms?

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    1 lb weight savings per side?

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    The fact that you can brag you have aluminum control arms... Brad is into bling bling
    Old set up: 520RWHP & 500RWTQ @ 20PSI 1/4 mile as of 7/26/15 12.5 @ 125MPH - 19PSI
    New set up: Steedspeed Twinscroll, Wiseco Pistons 8.8:1 CR, K1 Rods, Blueprinted and Balanced, ARP Main Studs, o-ring block, GTR 12mm head studs, GT35R with 86mm HTA billet compressor wheel (GT3586RHTA) TwinScrol 1.06 exhaust housing, Nick G custom tuning, 6 Speed Transmission, UUC Twin Disc Clutch, UUC EVO III, UUC DSSR 109mm, EVO 6 Speed Driveshaft, HFS-6 W/M injection, Zeitronix data logger, 3" SS full exhaust, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Race coilovers.

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    Brad is probably going to have the best all around e36 in the world.
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    The people around us influence our lives. Jaker, with the anorexic NA e36, had mention that the e46 upper rear control arms are lighter, so when a buddy was selling a set i bought them, thus going on my 'to do list'. I honesty didn't plan to spend 10-15 hrs to get them where they are but things got out of hand. Sand blasting, polishing, clear costing, bushing replacement with spherical bearing, making new sway bar brackets, researching and ordering the links and then driving across the border to pick them up. Ya, I think I may have saved a couple of pounds. LOL!

    In the airplane world, if an owner builds 51% of the airplane it is considered an amateur built and the owner gets to assign their own serial number to the aircraft they built and assembled. When are our cars no longer e36's?
    Last edited by chikinhed; 04-09-2017 at 01:24 PM.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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