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  1. #276
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    It's not an e-boost, it's an AMS-500 so it works a bit different. I'll turn the boost up a bit and retest in 4th.

    I was doing the same test though with the open T4 GTX3582R and was seeing 20 psi at 3170 rpm but I think I was at a higher boost setting, I'll have to confirm. It's pretty safe to say that with this turbo/manifold combo that I have a slight gain in spool over the the old set up. Now I just need to turn up the boost and get it on the Dyno to see if there has been a hp gain to justify that huge amount of work and expense. I'm kinda butt hurt from all the work I did on it all winter/spring and am running out of steam. There are a few little things left that need to be dealt with to bring it back up to DD standards. Hopefully I get some more time soon to attack them.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    I would like to see the efr on an open manifold on our cars to see how much of a benefit the new steed is responsible for.

    If someone wants to donate an efr to me I will be test mule

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajicase View Post
    I would like to see the efr on an open manifold on our cars to see how much of a benefit the new steed is responsible for.

    If someone wants to donate an efr to me I will be test mule
    I have a .88 t4 open EFR9180 on a spa.

    I got plenty of logs. Maybe I'll upload later since I'm curious myself


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    Quote Originally Posted by rajicase View Post
    I would like to see the efr on an open manifold on our cars to see how much of a benefit the new steed is responsible for.

    If someone wants to donate an efr to me I will be test mule
    I have no EFR and I'm getting the same spool. The manifold is pretty crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters Stoch View Post
    I have no EFR and I'm getting the same spool. The manifold is pretty crazy.
    The manifold definitely helps. The EFR size is big but the turbine is light making up for the size difference if they are spooling the same.

    Brand Turbo Comp Ind Comp Exd Comp Trim Turb Ind Turb Exd Turb Trim Flow
    BorgWarner EFR 9180 67.7 91 55 80 74 86 94
    Precision PTE 6466 G2 64.4 86.6 55 74.2 66 79 90
    Garrett GTX 3582R 62.5 82.5 57 68 62.2 84 75

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    Last edited by chikinhed; 06-04-2017 at 01:43 PM.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Chikinhed's Mini Build

    Went through my logs, nothing really worth comparing...

    Guess I'll just go out and log some.

    4th gear test and I'll stomp on it at 2k and see how it builds

    Targeting 20-22psi

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    Really cool to see some test results. I agree it would be interesting to come TS steed to open T4 with similar setups to see which item is the golden ticket. Also compare to Garrett and Precision to see if its the turbo or the mani or its all the same
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    Nice spool, will do a 5th gear pull today to compare.
    You are running a .92 turbine housing? Big difference with my 1.06...
    Old set up: 520RWHP & 500RWTQ @ 20PSI 1/4 mile as of 7/26/15 12.5 @ 125MPH - 19PSI
    New set up: Steedspeed Twinscroll, Wiseco Pistons 8.8:1 CR, K1 Rods, Blueprinted and Balanced, ARP Main Studs, o-ring block, GTR 12mm head studs, GT35R with 86mm HTA billet compressor wheel (GT3586RHTA) TwinScrol 1.06 exhaust housing, Nick G custom tuning, 6 Speed Transmission, UUC Twin Disc Clutch, UUC EVO III, UUC DSSR 109mm, EVO 6 Speed Driveshaft, HFS-6 W/M injection, Zeitronix data logger, 3" SS full exhaust, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Race coilovers.

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    Yes, .92 IWG divided.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    No laughs here, I see 6 PSI around 3k ... dont get to see full boost until 3600/3800 at low boost and appears 3800/4000k at high boost based on the logs?
    Looking back at CES 1.06 they see 10PSI with this housing at 3500, I see the same as them.

    I do have to say that at 21PSI this car is scary fast and makes me feel like a chicken, I have no traction in 2nd, 3rd and while doing the first fe pulls lost traction around 4k while a 4th gear pull, Im not kidding when I say is scary fast and never been like this before.
    I do see a 4PSI boost creep.





    Old set up: 520RWHP & 500RWTQ @ 20PSI 1/4 mile as of 7/26/15 12.5 @ 125MPH - 19PSI
    New set up: Steedspeed Twinscroll, Wiseco Pistons 8.8:1 CR, K1 Rods, Blueprinted and Balanced, ARP Main Studs, o-ring block, GTR 12mm head studs, GT35R with 86mm HTA billet compressor wheel (GT3586RHTA) TwinScrol 1.06 exhaust housing, Nick G custom tuning, 6 Speed Transmission, UUC Twin Disc Clutch, UUC EVO III, UUC DSSR 109mm, EVO 6 Speed Driveshaft, HFS-6 W/M injection, Zeitronix data logger, 3" SS full exhaust, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Race coilovers.

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    I don't like your turbo my friend.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    I don't like your turbo my friend.
    Im deciding either
    A- Spend $400 and go T3 divided .82 ar with a T3/T4 adapter and keep the same turbo
    B- Buy a turbo like the one you have.
    Last edited by Matutino; 06-05-2017 at 12:55 AM.
    Old set up: 520RWHP & 500RWTQ @ 20PSI 1/4 mile as of 7/26/15 12.5 @ 125MPH - 19PSI
    New set up: Steedspeed Twinscroll, Wiseco Pistons 8.8:1 CR, K1 Rods, Blueprinted and Balanced, ARP Main Studs, o-ring block, GTR 12mm head studs, GT35R with 86mm HTA billet compressor wheel (GT3586RHTA) TwinScrol 1.06 exhaust housing, Nick G custom tuning, 6 Speed Transmission, UUC Twin Disc Clutch, UUC EVO III, UUC DSSR 109mm, EVO 6 Speed Driveshaft, HFS-6 W/M injection, Zeitronix data logger, 3" SS full exhaust, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Race coilovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matutino View Post
    Im deciding either A- Spend $400 and go T3 divided .82 ar with a T3/T4 adapter and keep the same turbo B- Buy a turbo like the one you have.
    Hold off until I get it on the dyno. It's a lot of work to change turbos and I'd like to see what the actual gains are.
    Last edited by chikinhed; 06-05-2017 at 06:13 AM.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    There better be gains going from a 62mm to a 66mm compressor and big jump in turbine. I would think you would add 10% or more to the 660 rwhp you got with gtx3582r at the same 25psi.

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    Wasn't john breaking like 500 TQ at 3200 or something crazy with the gtx. I think he was making more than 10 psi at 3500
    Last edited by Butters Stoch; 06-05-2017 at 08:33 AM.
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    He did hit 500 lbs at about 3200 with the Efr8374, with a race gas tune. Maybe close to that with the box. He had 1.05 and 1.06 housings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbonsalb View Post
    He did hit 500 lbs at about 3200 with the Efr8374, with a race gas tune. Maybe close to that with the box. He had 1.05 and 1.06 housings.
    Looking at the graph I posted, both the gtx and the EFR hit 20+# before 3500 rpm. The EFR smoking the Garrett tho.
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    GTX on race fuel vs a GT on 91, apples to oranges to compare.
    On their last GT35 with 1.06 housing hit 10psi at or about 3500 rpm

    Old set up: 520RWHP & 500RWTQ @ 20PSI 1/4 mile as of 7/26/15 12.5 @ 125MPH - 19PSI
    New set up: Steedspeed Twinscroll, Wiseco Pistons 8.8:1 CR, K1 Rods, Blueprinted and Balanced, ARP Main Studs, o-ring block, GTR 12mm head studs, GT35R with 86mm HTA billet compressor wheel (GT3586RHTA) TwinScrol 1.06 exhaust housing, Nick G custom tuning, 6 Speed Transmission, UUC Twin Disc Clutch, UUC EVO III, UUC DSSR 109mm, EVO 6 Speed Driveshaft, HFS-6 W/M injection, Zeitronix data logger, 3" SS full exhaust, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Race coilovers.

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    Wouldn't a 10 psi wastegate spring open at maybe 6 psi, delaying response? It supposed to give 10 psi though that varies in the real world and it looks like there are a few psi creep, which seems to be common with this twinscroll manifold and a twinscroll turbo.

    I'd be more interested in a test with the WG spring being held closed. Like setting the boost controller for 25 psi and testing response to 20 psi. It seems like turbos sometimes respond better the faster they are spun.

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    When they used the eboost at the Dyno they saw 10psi at or around 3300rpm which would make sense as I have the upgraded wheel to flow more thus lower spool and bigger cams that moves the power band to the right, my guess is that those 2 explain the 300rpm difference hitting 10psi

    Last edited by Matutino; 06-05-2017 at 10:01 AM.
    Old set up: 520RWHP & 500RWTQ @ 20PSI 1/4 mile as of 7/26/15 12.5 @ 125MPH - 19PSI
    New set up: Steedspeed Twinscroll, Wiseco Pistons 8.8:1 CR, K1 Rods, Blueprinted and Balanced, ARP Main Studs, o-ring block, GTR 12mm head studs, GT35R with 86mm HTA billet compressor wheel (GT3586RHTA) TwinScrol 1.06 exhaust housing, Nick G custom tuning, 6 Speed Transmission, UUC Twin Disc Clutch, UUC EVO III, UUC DSSR 109mm, EVO 6 Speed Driveshaft, HFS-6 W/M injection, Zeitronix data logger, 3" SS full exhaust, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Race coilovers.

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    My open T4 GTX3582R hit 10 psi at 3100 rpm on the Dyno.

    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    My open T4 GTX3582R hit 10 psi at 3100 rpm on the Dyno.

    Make sense, GTX with .82ar and smaller compressor wheel than what I have
    Last edited by Matutino; 06-05-2017 at 12:42 PM.
    Old set up: 520RWHP & 500RWTQ @ 20PSI 1/4 mile as of 7/26/15 12.5 @ 125MPH - 19PSI
    New set up: Steedspeed Twinscroll, Wiseco Pistons 8.8:1 CR, K1 Rods, Blueprinted and Balanced, ARP Main Studs, o-ring block, GTR 12mm head studs, GT35R with 86mm HTA billet compressor wheel (GT3586RHTA) TwinScrol 1.06 exhaust housing, Nick G custom tuning, 6 Speed Transmission, UUC Twin Disc Clutch, UUC EVO III, UUC DSSR 109mm, EVO 6 Speed Driveshaft, HFS-6 W/M injection, Zeitronix data logger, 3" SS full exhaust, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Race coilovers.

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    Im sorry, im probably way wrong but i cant see these turbos spooling this fast on an inertia type dynojet. Where are the RPM pick ups? Coming off the actual engine or is it wheel speed? I mean all the graphs posted are showing 5 psi at 2500rpm.

    Thats more then i can make on antilag at 2500rpm.
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    RPM is taken from coil wire.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dburt86 View Post
    Im sorry, im probably way wrong but i cant see these turbos spooling this fast on an inertia type dynojet. Where are the RPM pick ups? Coming off the actual engine or is it wheel speed? I mean all the graphs posted are showing 5 psi at 2500rpm.

    Thats more then i can make on antilag at 2500rpm.
    I don't have any fancy logging equipment. If I cruise at 2000 rpm in 4th, floor it and lift at 3000, the peak hold on my eboost2 shows about 18 psi. I did not look to see what I was making at 2500, but I am making positive boost pressure by then.

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