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Thread: 97 ' E36 Turbo Build

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    97' E36 Turbo Build

    Greetings again! Little back story for my car, i previously had it Biturbo thread --> https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...328i-Twinturbo

    Actually blowing 3 engines all of 'cause piston ringlands broke, decided to shave one turbo off and go for single
    Goal is get around 450hp with reliable Turbo E36 and DD useage in summer. It's fifht year with this car and evolution 4.0 or so with engine.


    To the Car:
    Exterior
    - Original M3 look
    - Polished Style 24's
    - SMD 66's Angel eyes some times

    Interior
    - Stock Harman Kardon Hifi Loudspeaker system
    - Shortsifter + Z3M ZHP knob
    - Electric Sportseats + Sabelt 4-point Harness
    - Big OBC
    - Velour floormats

    Chassis

    - All bushes replaced with strongflex 90ha bushes.
    - Original e36 328 25% LSD differental
    - Suspension is BC-racing coilovers with all adjustments
    - E46 330 front brakes
    - E46 328 Rear brakes

    New Engine setup:

    - M52B28 aluminium block with M50vanos head, M54 intake cam and M50nv Intake on exhaust side
    - M52B28 crank
    - M50NV Rods and M50Vanos pistons
    - Athena cooper ring gasket
    - Master Power R545-7 water cooled turbo
    - 2x Turbosmart 45mm Hypergates
    - Custom made top mount coming
    - Walhpro 488lph fuelpump
    - e85 fuel gas lines
    - Electric boost control
    - Innovate LC-1 Wideband
    - Ecu Vipec v88 bolt on to m50b25 engine
    - Vipec dash display monitor
    - Injectors bosch 1200cc ev-14
    - Radiator Mishimoto with lots of modifications and electric fan
    - Hard Billet flywheel
    - Clutch cover SRE-765+Organic disc

    Some pics of last summer









    Kinda prime condition alublock








    And how she sits now...


    And oil return for top mount
    Last edited by Matuh; 02-02-2017 at 02:25 PM.

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    You feel having the second turbo was causing the ringland carnage ? Or was the timing aggressive ?
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    IMO that old setup was less than ideal to begin with... from the manifolds, to probably turbos, etc.

    Would have made it a very tricky car to tune well on pump gas

    E36 · DYNO · TUNING · WIRING · PARTS

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    Yeah Butters, basicly all the Time Broke the sixth-fifth piston ringland, timing was stock, with stock cams. Cylinder pressure was so high In that setup, Including the bad manifolds, turbos n small DP's (2.25")

    Notorius actually im glad I was running e85, those turbos maxed out Quick, around 12-14psi, btdc timing was boost around 20degrees. And it wasn't that smooth power curve, both turbos Came In around 4k and instantly hit the rev limiter with small Gears.

    Creating New manifolds, DP's and lil big compressor housings would have helped.

    This single turbo is 54mm intake/59mm exhaust so supposed To spool Quick, especially with divided exhaust housing.

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    Okay time to update this beast.

    Test fitting 600x300 IC, Fits barely




    Boost Pipe had a really tight angle but managed to fit it


    Fixed the Electronics, soldered all wires which had robberies AKA Abikos in finland

    Tested VAG coils, im not goin to run these though.


    Tested VAG coils, im not goin to run these though.


    NGK R5671-A9 with 0.5mm cap




    - - - Updated - - -

    Turbo manifold





    First time lowering the engine. Didnt quite fit diid it






    Lopputuote


    So deleted the Wastegate pipes and decided to do new ones.

    Wastegate to


    - - - Updated - - -

    Friend of mine did make the Manifold Complete.




    Wastegate IT Fits!!!









    Actually cold side is done, so hotside anymore and rest of exhaust and it is done. then first start
    Last edited by Matuh; 04-20-2017 at 12:33 AM.

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    Soooo! This thing runs! Already driven 3300km with zero issues, except falling of brake caliper. And Al modifications Are in registeration sheet
    So how it runs, well 11psi and 530bhp fullboost @3400rpm

    Im gonna do better update when I leave work....


    No joo, säädetään kun saadaan auto muuten pelaamaan kunnolla.
    Tässä on nyt pari päivää tuskailtu m5x ilmaus haluttomuuden kanssa.

    Some pics


    Car on its wheels, first time since 8months



    And thats the outcome


    Interior kind of basic, no extra gauges, just my ''navigation''


    Outside perrfect sleeper


    Kiitoksia vaan

    And the curve


    I also insstalled my new FXR headlights

    And Annual Bmw meeting called Bimmerparty,
    Some Launch control activity
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BV-bRPFH...ken-by=btcf_ry

    Extra pic for Finn humour

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BWR00HZHQZt/
    Last edited by Matuh; 07-12-2017 at 11:20 AM.

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    Nice work


    86 325es, 2.8L m50, S472sxe, MS3pro Ultimate, e85, solid rear axle, 4 link, spool, TH400 trans, Protorque converter, 28x10.5w slicks, zip ties
    Best = 9.43 @ 149.15 mph, 1.30 60 foot 28 psi boost

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    Quote Originally Posted by someguy2800 View Post
    Nice work
    Thx! This time hopefully running longer
    Without engine breakdown

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    So summer did come n go. Workd out perfectly, no issues whats so ever in engine, just Driving 5000km. Also got it legally registered for turbo in Finland
    Little hiccups like broken u-joint in driveaxle, one pair of reartyres just basic S in Build car.

    Middle of season i switched For bmw style 32's 17x8'' and 17x9'' E39 offsets...



    LIL tight with e46 brakes



    Just some random pics:






    My Turbo and Friends Ex Biturbo whom engine i previously owned


    Interior updates:



    So pretty good season. Know im thinkin switchn turbo to Borgwarner SX-e s257 or Sx-e 361, Both with 0.91AR exhaustside.... Actually dont know which better for 600hp And Extreme Spool with good midrange ....

    What do u think Is 57mm better over 61mm turbo??

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    What size is your engine and what compression? Also Are you running flex fuel or just pump gas

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    Greetings from Estonia!
    Love your car and the sleeper look. Great FI build too, early spooling and reliability is something I highly appreciate in turbo builds.

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    S257sxe will get you 550whp tops on 3.2L, i just changed to a s363 for my winter build. Id recommend the biggee turbo if you have goals of going past 500whp. If not s257sxe is perfect. Love the car nicely done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mklock View Post
    S257sxe will get you 550whp tops on 3.2L, i just changed to a s363 for my winter build. Id recommend the biggee turbo if you have goals of going past 500whp. If not s257sxe is perfect. Love the car nicely done.
    Thx! Evryone , Just reacently ordered 9.0:1 DP pistons and 62mm SX-e with .91 AR exhaust side. With 62mm should come Not too laggy Spool and still Good amount of power upgrade. With 260-270 degree cams....
    Goal is around 700hp For Future. And Block is going to be bored
    to 85mm. Time for Build bottom end
    of course Cornfed with E85

    Boost levels about 25psi maybe
    Last edited by Matuh; 12-07-2017 at 10:37 AM.

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    nice build, how has your single turbo w/stock bottom end build held up in the mean time, just getting bored with the power or did you blow the lower again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPE36M3 View Post
    nice build, how has your single turbo w/stock bottom end build held up in the mean time, just getting bored with the power or did you blow the lower again?
    Actually, no problems at all. Shattered one sparkplug cause Misfiring coil.
    Kinda Bored with power and I thought it would be more reliable to Run build Low end.
    Next year gonna use still stock bottom end and just enjoy.

    More power is always nice, Ultimate goal is to get Great throttle response like Mine's R34 GTR. No so much power without control. Maybe around 600-800 would be nice.
    That would also mean switchin tyres to Semislicks with square setup

    62mm with .91Ar Turbo would give nice Low end or should I just buy 66mm with . 91Ar, both borgwarner-airwerks Are Same Prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matuh View Post
    Actually, no problems at all. Shattered one sparkplug cause Misfiring coil.
    Kinda Bored with power and I thought it would be more reliable to Run build Low end.
    Next year gonna use still stock bottom end and just enjoy.

    More power is always nice, Ultimate goal is to get Great throttle response like Mine's R34 GTR. No so much power without control. Maybe around 600-800 would be nice.
    That would also mean switchin tyres to Semislicks with square setup

    62mm with .91Ar Turbo would give nice Low end or should I just buy 66mm with . 91Ar, both borgwarner-airwerks Are Same Prices.

    I agree, more reliable and the ability to turn it up when you want to without fear. Im going to do the same this summer... Im just about to make a build thread here in a month of what I have going on, similar build s52 stock bottom with RSI topmount, Borg-Warner sx366 66mm inducer / exducer 73mm - RKtunes and Meth... figured id finish this build and get the car and myself used to boost while building a 2.8l side block..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPE36M3 View Post
    I agree, more reliable and the ability to turn it up when you want to without fear. Im going to do the same this summer... Im just about to make a build thread here in a month of what I have going on, similar build s52 stock bottom with RSI topmount, Borg-Warner sx366 66mm inducer / exducer 73mm - RKtunes and Meth... figured id finish this build and get the car and myself used to boost while building a 2.8l side block..

    Yea! Same turbo that i was thinking

    Basicly my next engine is going to be M50B28
    M50 block, bored to 84,5mm
    Borgwarner S3xx SX-E
    S52 Cams
    M52B28 Head with M50 Non Vanos springs, or PPF springs, Crmo retainers or Euro S50B32 depending on which ones are better avaible.
    DP Forged pistons + ZRP con rods
    ACL race bearings
    Race chains
    New M50 vanos oil pump, Welded nut+ Hot wire
    T4 top mount manifold, 3,5'' DP+ Exhaust

    Everything Nice...

    Long time build

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    Sooo ,time flys by. This ones got new turbocharger.... No way anymore journal bearing.

    Garret GTW3884R aka 6465 Precision language


    Sold the old one, And also manifold. Didnt work with Garret sort of



    Mean time timed the cams, Both open 1mm@TDC mark.
    Last edited by Matuh; 02-26-2018 at 04:18 AM.

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    I thought that I read that modifying cam timing aggressively like that can prevent the vanos from functioning correctly

    What Are benefits of that timing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 328iFun View Post
    I thought that I read that modifying cam timing aggressively like that can prevent the vanos from functioning correctly

    What Are benefits of that timing ?

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    Engine breaths better, and also that timing gives more umph, which basicly leads to Faster turbospool.
    with @1mm open i dont still have to worry about vanos travel, should work with full turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 328iFun View Post
    I thought that I read that modifying cam timing aggressively like that can prevent the vanos from functioning correctly

    What Are benefits of that timing ?

    Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
    I have done a bunch of measuring and testing of different cams and cam timing and posted it in my Saturday's FI Solutions thread if you want more info. depending on which cams and which turbo on which size engine you will probably want to change your cam timing to optimize your set up. Most cams that are timed to the blocks are optimized for NA engines, not FI engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    I have done a bunch of measuring and testing of different cams and cam timing and posted it in my Saturday's FI Solutions thread if you want more info. depending on which cams and which turbo on which size engine you will probably want to change your cam timing to optimize your set up. Most cams that are timed to the blocks are optimized for NA engines, not FI engines.
    Good to know.

    Checked your thread out. Unfortunately, looks like all the photos have been removed or its been Photo Bucketed'd up.

    I would to like adjust my cam timing slightly for FI but right now I'm just trying to get them back to stock profiling in order to sort the car out.

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    Soo, Some parts are coming, Finnish fab shop ReWoN motors made the exhaust manifold, Test fused it with Garret


    Bought new M52b28 head



    Also test fitted stock FL frontbumber

    Still waiting Alpina front lip tho

    Interior Hacks


    Ordered Viilante Modena Steering wheel, To replace that shitty broken OEM

    Fabd up new FMIC mounts, Years better than the last ones.


    New Braided brakelines for rear and Front



    Turbosmart got New fittings for AN-4 Braided lines

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    Greetings from cold Finnish waether!

    Some minor updates, Engine was Changed M52 aluminium bolck to M50B28 iron block.

    This one got newly refurbished head, New INA lifters, Same M54/M50 cams and Vanos

    Some pics.



    New lifters, S50 EURO chain tensioner, ARP headbolts.

    Nice when evrything is clean n tidy






    Bought New injectors.



    Nominal flow 2300cc/min, Bosch EV14

    Manifold got VHT flameproof coating, Turbosmart fitted with An-4 ,Company called Speeding provided AN-4 Fitttings.
    All ''Vacuum'' lines were made of AN-4 aluminium tube for AEM boost solenoid, I hope these dont meld.

    IMG_0891 by Matias Härkönen, on Flickr

    Garret with AN-8 banjo return and water feed is AN-8 straight, All lines made PTFE hose
    Garret feed is AN-4

    Litle tight, but all fits
    IMG_0890 by Matias Härkönen, on Flickr

    FMIC got bulkier mounts than last year. Boost pipes were also coated with VHT Flameproof, All T-bolt clamps were switched to Stainless ones.
    IMG_0885 by Matias Härkönen, on Flickr

    IMG_0893 by Matias Härkönen, on Flickr

    IMG_0901 by Matias Härkönen, on Flickr



    Open wastegate pipe, + There u can see oilpan, Engine ones tilted 7degrees. shows clearly.


    Also ordered shorter AEM dryflow, aint arrived yet.




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    Had my Canon lying around, so took better pics from interior.



    Recently bought, Viilante Steering wheel fits also NICE




    Dusty little thing, Been in garage since last October



    Hood also closes, without any Cutting for turbo.


    Tomorrow, i move car to local BMW enthusiast. For FAB work of 3.5šExhaust.
    Wastegate spring is 11psi, shall be using this low boost. The goal is 21psi and over 500whp

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