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Thread: Project "Try Out Drifting" (with an old slushbox E36 sedan)

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    I'd drift my wagon as is but I really doubt its ability to stay sideways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abest521 View Post
    Sub'd. Love the work youre doing. I am basically trying to do the same thing with a e46 i bought for $900. I wanted to make it out to back to basics and the halloween bash but was rear ended in the daily the first week of oct so ive been dealing with that. If you ever need help on a weekend id be more than happy to lend a hand or tools and learn from someone like yourself.
    Thank you, and that is a bummer about your car! Those were my first two "try to drift" events, and if they were representative of the kind of events people put on for drifting, I am a huge fan. Such a great atmosphere, and just about all of the seat time you can handle. I did some pretty severe damage to quite a few tires in those events, that is true, but I kind of think my tire bill may have been higher in other pursuits that would have involved as much seat time. At least the tire bill would have been comparable.

    The other thing is that this is a different type of seat time. Road course seat time is fantastic, but it just isn't jam packed with intensity every second like drifting seems to be. There's so much time spent driving down the straights... I guess that's why I've always ended up doing things where the straights are short and the average intensity level is high. Even autocross can be super intense since every thousandth of a second is important, but in the events I used to go to it was usually between 3-6 runs I would get, for a whole day at the event. AND I would go through a good bit of rubber in those few runs. Good stuff, but so far I like drifting more/better.

    Anyway, what I'm saying is that I intend to be hitting as many events as I can next year, and I hope to see you out there! It's a really good crew I've seen out there so far.

    And I'm very appreciative of Nic Higdon (audioscience10 on here) for pointing me in the right direction when I was trying to find out where to go for some drifting experience!!

    Quote Originally Posted by protomor View Post
    Remember that E46s have more weight and less power than E36s.
    I'm guessing the power difference can't be much, do you have any idea what a ballpark weight difference would be between two cars similarly setup? I was kind of considering an E46 initially until I found this E36 at "my price." Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Novablue454 View Post
    Yeah, but they're so much better looking! lol
    I was in agreement with this opinion until my LRS (Little Red Sh!tbox) has been sitting in my driveway for the past several months hunkered down over the 540 wheels and tires. I really think I prefer the aesthetics of the E36 now.... And I sure love how cheap they are and how easy they are to work on. So much win.

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    supposedly 200lbs or so more than the E36. But the motors just don't pull the same as regular M50s IMO. The 330 motor is good enough. But I wouldn't try to drift with a lesser model motor.

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    I'm not sure how the M52b28 compares for driftiness with the M50s, but it seems like it should be fairly similar I suppose, other than in my case having the slushbox absorbing power and muting out throttle inputs to some degree. At any rate, my point was going to be that when I have a ~200lb passenger in the car, it gets significantly more difficult to make do what I want it to, so I'd guess it makes perfect sense that it would be a chore to drift a lesser E46 than a 330 if they are a couple hundred lbs heavier.

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    Back to the build thread, I think I have the bulk of my ramblings about building it pretty much taken care of. Leading up to the Back to Basics event October 2, it had been finding lots of ways to break, and I had just been fixing stuff as it broke, and trying to somewhat dial it in to where I imagined a car such as this should be for me to try to drift it with any success. I have offset bushings in the front, and when I had more than about -2.5 degrees camber in the front, it felt to me like the front sort of didn't turn in quite right, so I left it there. Running a tiny bit of toe in currently.

    As far as the rear goes, there must be a bit more compliance in something than I had imagined, because it seems like my car wants about -.75 degrees to keep from unduly eating up the outer edges of the tires. Of course, the inner edges get a bit more beat up this way from dragging, but overall it seems to be reasonably ok. I am still running a tiny bit of toe in, so maybe I need to change that to a bit of toe out for a try sometime? Actually I can't remember if I have the adjustability to do allow me to do that or not...

    The night before the Back to Basics event I loaded up the car with a bunch of tires, a jack, and a few tools. Shockingly the car just ate up every bit of abuse I threw at it, and over the course of the day I gradually started to get a bit of a hang of drifting. I tried initiating with just Scandinavian flicks, but that was very inconsistent for me so I settled in on using my handy dandy Chelsea Denofa style ebrake handle I made. There weren't many people taking pictures that day it seems, and I probably wasn't giving them much to take good pics of, but here are a couple that people posted up:

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    Not much smoke or anything, but I was starting to get the hang of tearing through the banks sideways at least. My transitions were pretty much a complete disaster, and I hadn't really figured out how to stay on the road in the infield without spinning out. Haha...

    This guy/car from Illinois was tearing it up, and his car is pretty much my favorite. I guess it fits with my theme of liking "No 'Fs' Given" cars.

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    I had a Z31 once. Whenever I'd let off the gas, the subframe would slam into the body of the car. Had that "bitchin betty" where it'd verbally say things to you and scare you. 3400lbs IIRC. Heavy gal. Terrible aftermarket for a car with potential.

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    Whoa, I had no idea they were that heavy! It explains why I could clearly see at this last event (Halloween Bash) that he needed every bit of the 175hp he suspects he has to make the car do its thing, and when he has a passenger he really has his hands full. He has stock power and stock angle, and just wrings its neck. Pretty awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tptrsn View Post
    Whoa, I had no idea they were that heavy! It explains why I could clearly see at this last event (Halloween Bash) that he needed every bit of the 175hp he suspects he has to make the car do its thing, and when he has a passenger he really has his hands full. He has stock power and stock angle, and just wrings its neck. Pretty awesome.
    Literally dropped a new engine in the night before the first MI Drift event, then came out and drove.

    And I have a new respect for drifting an auto after Halloween. Not only did you kill it out there, but I got to play with the 750il a little. But by far the best auto drifting that weekend had to be Charbel throwing, his 1of7, e23 745i Limo around...
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    Aw damn Nic, you beat me to it! Lol I was going to post up that exact picture!

    And I don't know if it's possible to convince you to do it, but you DEFINITELY need to weld the diff in the 750iL (or better yet just figure out a workable LSD setup) and drift the crap out of that sucker!!!

    As far as my beater goes, the only thing I did between the Oct. 2 Back to Basics, and the Oct. 30 Halloween Bash was to finalize the tune, and get some more tires bought and mounted up. Since it refused to break on me at Back to Basics, I figured I should leave well enough alone and see if it would be bulletproof for another full day of abuse. And it was! I recorded 49 runs on my new GoPro helmet cam, and slapped a few of the less embarrassing ones together into this video for anyone who didn't see it in the "I Can't Do Transitions" thread:



    There were a TON of great photographers out that day, who have posted up bunches of great pics. My plan is to shamelessly post them up in this thread in the next couple of posts, and then I'll be caught up for now. In the mean time, here is the followup on my favorite sh!tbox Z31 (now that Protomor) enlightened me to that chassis number:

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    That thing is GLORIOUS!

    The wall collected a couple of people I think (and nearly me on a few occasions):

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    And then there was this guy at the complete other end of the spectrum from the cars I seem to enjoy most. Full blown inexplicable sticker package, police-ish emergency lights, AND a siren.... Very strange. Not to mention that despite the attention that he drew from lots and lots of people, I don't think he executed a single drift. He definitely wasn't shy about burning rubber and spinning out though, and he did seem to have a good time:

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    <3 this thread
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    I don't get people that come, suck, and are smiling. I hate it when I suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protomor View Post
    I don't get people that come, suck, and are smiling. I hate it when I suck.
    Me too! I confess I have been trying very hard not to be terrible, and it bugs me pretty badly when I am.

    However, a big part of what I have really enjoyed about the people at these drifting events is how accepting they are of people just having fun and enjoying themselves. It's a breath of fresh air! So, with that in mind, if the guy had a good time just going out and spinning out repeatedly, more power to him I guess.

    I totally understand the "keep drifting fun" bumper sticker, even if it is really a joke that I don't actually understand haha.

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    eh. i agree with the premise of keep drifting fun, as in you don't need to be a paid professional or have butt loads of power to enjoy drifting. but the slogan has become a way to bash on Formula Drift lately and while I have my own opinions about FD, i don't think a campaign needs to be launched against them.

    /sidebar

    As i progress, the fun factor has increased immensely. However, my first time out i did absolutely shite and yet it was the most fun i'd ever had behind a wheel. the way i see it, if i'm at my worst and yet having more fun than other motorsports where I was at my best, it's worth a smile from ear to ear!
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    The worst day drifting is better then the best day drag racing

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    I very much understand KDF. I also very much understand the need for a top level drifting body. Por kay no los dos?

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    ^^ pretty much this. I don't see why the two can't coexist, but then again i don't really give a flying f about the politics that surround FD either. I prefer the japanese drift series purely because i enjoy the technical style drifting over the 1000hp smoke shows. Both have their place and I'll watch both, the japanese competitions just suits my style better.
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    I've ridden both lines (FD and D1GP). The thing about D1 is that most of their judging is "you trust in the judges" and the US doesn't do that. But they also HEAVILY use drift boxes now and people are learning to "drift for the box". The FD side, they want to take as much of the main subjectivity out of it so it's easier to see who won. Clips/zones mean a lot to them while it doesn't as much in D1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protomor View Post
    . . . they also HEAVILY use drift boxes now and people are learning to "drift for the box".
    Whatchyutalkinbout Willis? I have no idea at all... I actually do understand the clips and zones for FD.

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    The problem with a subjective sport is that what makes it fun for you also makes it unfun when put up in competition. How can you compete on a subjective sport? It breeds salty attitudes. But if you take subjectivity out of it, people complain that it loses its soul. So screwed either way IMO.

    What I will say, is that taking some of the subjectivity out of things makes people learn to drift better. FD strategically designs zones and track layouts to be the most difficult possible. As a result, to do it consistently and well is hard. Those Pro2 guys you see suck worse than grassroots guys on their first times at tracks like atlanta? It's not because they suck. It's because the bar was raised that much that they can't reach it yet. For instance, atlanta has probably the fastest entry. It's down hill into a stretched up hill (hard to tell via video). In FD 5+ years ago, people sucked at it and only those who could literally complete the course would win. Now? Everyone does it. And you have to learn fast.

    Ranty ranty. I just want something that isn't political to read today.

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    Thanks Brofessor!

    I was curious what the driftbox was, so I had to do a bit of reading up on that. Your little "rant" there was thoroughly enjoyable to read. For me competitive drifting is a good spectator sport, so I like to understand this stuff, but I will probably continue to avoid being competitive at it myself like the plague.

    With that, I think it is time to start shamelessly posting scads of pictures of the LRS from the Halloween Bash:

    First some of the cool shots that the kickass photogs took of it with the 16x6.5" steel E46 wheels, with what I think are 205/45-16 Antares Ingens A1s. There's a bit of redundancy here, but I guess that doesn't matter much...:

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    Bonus pic: Here's me doing my best impression of a one-man NASCAR crew so I can spend as close as possible to every single second of the day on the track, while Nic (audioscience10) prepares to make everyone's day by drifting the 750iL!:

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    One more nice shot with the E46 steelies:

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    And an E46 that was shredding real nicely!:

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    Competition isn't bad. You just have to have the right attitude towards it. I'd love to have a drift box and try it out. I forget the specifics but it's not too bad of an install. I love data so numbers from the box would make me turgid.

    This thread needs more video. Pictures are boring

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    Quote Originally Posted by protomor View Post
    This thread needs more video. Pictures are boring
    I couldn't agree more, let's try this!:

    https://www.facebook.com/dailydriver...5579811559649/

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    Well.... I don't like how bookface did that at all. No thumbnail, takes you to the post so you have to do more clicking to see the video decently large and hi rez. Yuck. Hate bookface.

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    It happens. Better than nothing lol. That limo is hilarious to watch too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tptrsn View Post

    And an E46 that was shredding real nicely!:

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    That E46 drifts so nicely because it has a 1J in it

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    Man. If only I could get away with emissions for motor swaps in E46s...

    Something something, Trump killing EPA, something something.

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