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    How is the NVH with a poly engine mount compared to say a stock mount? I ran poly mount inserts on a v6 mazda before for about 1 day before reverting back to stock. I understand there is some compromise when going FI but I would still like to hear people's opinions.

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    I use a sleeve type poly bushing (like an A arm bushing), and with no carpet and a kirkey aluminum seat bolted to a solid seat base and the roll cage, it feels and sounds like you are sitting on top of the engine lol.


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    I have no complaints about full size poly mounts like the vorshlag, which is a pretty hard 75D. Been using them for years.

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    In my experience, poly engine mounts are not as much of sacrifice compared to poly transmission mounts.

    That small poly disc is not going to do much for NVH. Is my assumption correct that it is a bolt thru type, meaning no studs for further isolation?

    At this point, it is our best available solution (without fabricating our own) so props for the work so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    In my experience, poly engine mounts are not as much of sacrifice compared to poly transmission mounts.

    That small poly disc is not going to do much for NVH. Is my assumption correct that it is a bolt thru type, meaning no studs for further isolation?

    At this point, it is our best available solution (without fabricating our own) so prop for the work so far.
    The poly bushing is actually an akg trans mount bushing that has a hole through it, no studs. You simply bolt the mount to the chassis through the the bushing. We can make almost any design we need really, it was just the easiest solution at the time versus a straight solid mount to the chassis and it worked out well.

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    The Inline 6 is balanced at idle and you can run pretty stiff mounts without much NVH impact. Put 75D mounts or solid rubber mounts on a 4cyl without a balance shaft and it will vibrate your fillings out. At least thats what happens if you use the mounts in an M42! Never had an issue in a 6cyl!
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    My engine mount, turbo is a gt40/94R 1.06ar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod Addict View Post
    My engine mount, turbo is a gt40/94R 1.06ar

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    Don't think it would pass the white glove test. Clean it and try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod Addict View Post
    My engine mount, turbo is a gt40/94R 1.06ar

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    Where is your air filter positioned at?

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    Built motor, Best ET ( 9.63 @ 142.61 mph MS100+meth ) 10/08/21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mod Addict View Post
    My engine mount, turbo is a gt40/94R 1.06ar

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    Oh the joys of no ac. I envy all the room.


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    So is there only 4 of 20 (GB) installed so far?

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    Is there any traction on the new motor mount arm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3literheater View Post
    Is there any traction on the new motor mount arm?
    +1

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    I've been slowly collecting the parts I need to swap in the Steed/9180 combo. I'll have everything I need by the end of this week. My plan is to make at least a couple of mount arms and sets of custom AC lines. Although, I have a few aircraft to finish up first before I can focus on my M3.
    '97 M3, Estoril blue, 2 dr, euro 6-spd, EFR 9180 divided T4 .92 IWG, RK tuning, CP 8.5:1 pistons, Eagle rods, Schrick cams, L19 11 mm ARP studs, O-ringed block, Supertech stainless/inconel valves, Supertech springs & Ti retainers, ported head, S54 oil pump/pan, 80 lb. injectors, OBD1 intake manifold, Steedspeed twin scroll T4, 3.5" SS exhaust, eBoost2 EBC, HFS-4 W/M injection, AEM Failsafe, Zeitronix data logger, Racelogic TC, OpenOBC w. ethanol %, Ireland Eng. engine mounts, UUC black tranny mounts w. enforcers, UUC twin disc feramic, ARC-8's, MCS 2-ways, Z3 rack, Rallyroad strut bar, X brace, Eibach sway bars, Ground Control LCAB bushings, Bimmerworld RTAB's, Powerflex subframe bushings, 210 4-clutch LSD, Stoptech BBK, titainium shims, steel braided lines, brake cooling ducts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    I've been slowly collecting the parts I need to swap in the Steed/9180 combo. I'll have everything I need by the end of this week. My plan is to make at least a couple of mount arms and sets of custom AC lines. Although, I have a few aircraft to finish up first before I can focus on my M3.
    Put me down for engine arm

    Why do you need custom AC lines?

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    Let me know how you handle the ac lines. I have been wanting to do that..


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    Based on Phil's info of installing the 9180 on the Steed, it's too tight at the SAP pump tray and the AC lines for the WG dump pipe. He ended up cutting the SAP tray. I'll do my best to not cut the tray and find a better routing for the AC. I'd like to put the lines down under the frame rail giving more room for the turbo intake and away from the heat. I plan to use aluminum (maybe stainless) tubing and AN fittings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3literheater View Post
    Is there any traction on the new motor mount arm?
    We have been talking to Eric since the beginning of the year. I will speak to him again today.
    He has a prototype drawn up and ready I believe, and then we will be going into production soon after he has the last details worked out. I will post another update as soon as we get confirmation and some photos to post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    Based on Phil's info of installing the 9180 on the Steed, it's too tight at the SAP pump tray and the AC lines for the WG dump pipe. He ended up cutting the SAP tray. I'll do my best to not cut the tray and find a better routing for the AC. I'd like to put the lines down under the frame rail giving more room for the turbo intake and away from the heat. I plan to use aluminum (maybe stainless) tubing and AN fittings.
    Any pictures of this?

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    It's not the dump pipe. It's the top of the wastegate that hits the AC lines. Either custom bend lines to go further under the SAP tray or cut a little off the SAP tray and lift/bend the lines in place.

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    I've finally begun my Steed TS / EFR 9180 install tonight.
    Last edited by chikinhed; 02-12-2017 at 04:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post
    I've finally begun my Steed TS / EFR 9180 install tonight.
    Running yet ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters Stoch View Post
    Running yet ?
    I think I'll start a mini build thread and only post pertinent info here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chikinhed View Post

    I think I'll start a mini build thread and only post pertinent info here.
    Yay

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