Does anyone know how to re-code the MK60 when installed in an E36? The typical instructions say to the ncsexpert which relies on getting the FA from the cluster or other E46 module that I don't have.
Last edited by gpeterson; 09-28-2016 at 03:53 PM.
S54 swap DME flashing - $100
S54 swap CAN interface board (for proper A/C & check engine light) - $275
e36 SAP sim/secondary air pump simulator: $75 - standard or $170 - plug & play
e36 post-cat O2 sims: $115 shipped, plug & play
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1995 BMW M3/2/5-- S54 + Mk60 DSC, California Smog Legal (Build Thread)
1998 BMW M3/4/5 Alpine/Modena, Z3 Rack, otherwise stock-- DD without burbles
2017 Chevy SS, Orange Blast Metallic, 6MT -- DD with burbles
S54 swap DME flashing - $100
S54 swap CAN interface board (for proper A/C & check engine light) - $275
e36 SAP sim/secondary air pump simulator: $75 - standard or $170 - plug & play
e36 post-cat O2 sims: $115 shipped, plug & play
Just out of curiosity what will the whole set up roughly cost (start to finish)?
S54 swap DME flashing - $100
S54 swap CAN interface board (for proper A/C & check engine light) - $275
e36 SAP sim/secondary air pump simulator: $75 - standard or $170 - plug & play
e36 post-cat O2 sims: $115 shipped, plug & play
Any of you guys have success running the mk60 in a non bmw?
And those who successfully running them in e30's, what master cylinders are you using?
I am planning to install this on a subaru based race car trying to figure out if I could just tee it into the pressure lines of the master cylinder. Will check back on verification of running stand alone wiring for abs obd access through the subaru.
Last edited by Erick; 11-01-2016 at 02:06 PM.
Technically I can't see a reason it wouldn't work on a non-BMW platform. However, the items you'd need to address would be:
Installing BMW wheel speed sensors - both the fit of the sensors and making sure the trigger wheels match properly such that you get accurate wheel speeds
Configuring the system to match the car you're using - this could be done with a race-mapped Mk60 unit. The race map recodes for weight, caliper piston sizes, wheelbase, wheel track width, and so on. Getting a re-coded unit would still be cheaper than getting a bosch or similar race standalone unit.
Pressure sensors are fairly easy to deal with. You can either get a set of T-fittings with some adapters or Andrew Liddell (he's the guy that does the coding too) sells banjo fittings that have M12 outlets for the pressure sensors to be installed at the ABS controller. Or if you can use an E46 master cylinder there are ports on the MC for the pressure sensors.
Generally speaking, I'd use a whatever master cylinder that's currently on the car (or one sized for whatever modified brakes you have). I wouldn't let the ABS system drive you to a non-ideal MC.
Regarding your last comment, I'm not sure what you mean, but if you mean running wiring such that you can get OBD2 port access to the ABS controller I'd suggest buying a bare OBD2 port and wiring that up just for the ABS. Don't tamper with the factory chassis wiring if you can avoid it, that defeats the purpose of a standalone system.
Thanks for the quick reply,
I believe the e46 trigger wheels have a 42 tooth count.
My current trigger wheels have 52 from what I know, as long as all my trigger wheels are the same the abs system should work as long as I can get the correct mounting of the BMW wheel sensors.
Unless with a 52 tooth trigger wheel would cause the abs to read the system to be traveling faster than it is. (But in theory should not matter as its only used to compare wheel speeds)
One interesting thing is the subaru oem trigger sensors are also hall effect just like the ones mk60 uses, wonder if it would be compatible
Please correct me if I'm wrong
Oh does Andrew Liddell have a website for his products?
Last edited by Erick; 11-01-2016 at 03:46 PM.
The wheels in the E46 are 48 teeth. Yes, in theory a greater tooth count would make the system read faster than speed than it really is going. I can't comment on how much that matters or how sensitive the system is to actual (ground) speed vs relative wheel speeds. The other trick is getting the sensors close enough to the trigger wheels. I'm sure that can be addressed, it may just take some fiddling around.
Andrew doesn't have a website that I know of...he seems to work on referrals (which is how I got in touch with him). I'd be happy to make the invite. The coding isn't cheap, but the pressure sensor adapters were only about $100 shipped from the UK and well worth it.
Shoot me a PM and I'll give you my email and send you some pics of the connectors and Andrew's contact info. Here's his FB page. https://www.facebook.com/bmwm3motorsport/?fref=ts
As a heads up I think Andrew is pretty swamped with work right now. I've been in contact with him since June but haven't been able to make a purchase for MK60 parts yet.
Despite that I must say Andrew has been very stand up about it, he's stayed in contact with me and won't take my money until he's ready to ship the parts.
- Brad
[QUOTE=dmw16;29475308]The wheels in the E46 are 48 teeth. Yes, in theory a greater tooth count would make the system read faster than speed than it really is going. I can't comment on how much that matters or how sensitive the system is to actual (ground) speed vs relative wheel speeds. The other trick is getting the sensors close enough to the trigger wheels. I'm sure that can be addressed, it may just take some fiddling around.
Andrew doesn't have a website that I know of...he seems to work on referrals (which is how I got in touch with him). I'd be happy to make the invite. The coding isn't cheap, but the pressure sensor adapters were only about $100 shipped from the UK and well worth it.
Shoot me a PM and I'll give you my email and send you some pics of the connectors and Andrew's contact info. Here's his FB page. https://www.facebook.com/bmwm3motorsport/?fref=ts[/QUOTE
Awesome! I'll shoot you a pm when Ive done all my research, I recognize the facebook page from the s14.net.
Does anyone know if the rear type sensors can be used in the front? I am considering the mk60 on a non bmw car and I need the front sensors to come from the top like the rears do.
Are the sensors the same type though? They don't run hall in front and vr in the rear or anything funky like that do they? How many wires do these sensors have?
Does anyone know if anyone makes an E36/46 323/5/8 rear wheel bearing that has the hall trigger wheel in them? Installing MK60 into an E46 323 and would like to avoid having to swap the whole trailing arm so I can use the larger 330/M3 wheel bearings which have the trigger wheel on the inner seal.
What do they use to trigger the ABS stock? All you need is a 48 tooth ring...adapting a mk60 ABS sensor isn't that hard.
It's not speed that kills, it's the speed difference that does. Obviously you aren't going fast enough.
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The 323 axles have a trigger wheel on them, haven't counted the teeth.
Hi guys, I am planing on doing a MK60 swap on my E36, so I am sourcing parts now. I found a 2002 E46 M3 that has this part number on the pump motor, and it is different than the 3 on the first post. I cant find info in this forum or google if it's any good. The ATE number is 10.0206-0079.4. Thanks !
PS: Am I looking on the right place?
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