Looking into making an MSPNP Pro for the M50 and M52 engines

[Bke36Is]

Good, I'll be borrowing your tunes as well.

No problem! We'll talk once I get mine setup

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[cragg56]

So this GB is happening now for OBD1&2 or just OBD1. If it's just 1 that's not right

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[someguy2800]

So this GB is happening now for OBD1&2 or just OBD1. If it's just 1 that's not right

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Both, obd2 has priority

[dburt86]

Ill be tuning a e85 s52 with id1700's and a 6466 with in the month, so ill have that tune available for people.

[SCapelo]

Ill be tuning a e85 s52 with id1700's and a 6466 with in the month, so ill have that tune available for people.

Did I just read that right? Lol this should have happened years ago

[Matt Cramer]

Where could I find more info about the rally style ALS? I'm wanting to know exactly what type of ALS it is, throttle kick/throttle bypass or secondary air injection. Anything extra needed to make it work (I know the secondary air injection style would need extra components)?

Are any others planning on running this PNP setup in an E30? Wondering if I'll need to do any extra wiring since my M50 isn't in an E36 chassis.

Check out the ALS documentation here. You can do anything from rotating fuel cut to opening a solenoid for secondary outputs.

http://www.msextra.com/doc/pdf/html/...1.4.1-217.html

If you're using an off the shelf conversion harness for running an M50 on the stock ECU in an E30, there shouldn't be any issues.

Is there anything that would make the obd2 setup better than going obd1?

i have an obd1 converted S52. I could go either way (obd1 or 2), but would rather not have to buy a new harness, and sensors to convert back to obd2..UNLESS its better.

Any thoughts?

Jay

Just get the one that matches your current wiring harness. The factory harnesses have roughly the same set of connections (just on different pins and sometimes with different sensor types). There will be an extra connector on the back for additional I/O.

So this GB is happening now for OBD1&2 or just OBD1. If it's just 1 that's not right

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We have enough people signed up to make both happen.

[grinchxvx]

Would the price In the first post include a turbo base tune? I want to go standalone for the extra features but would need a base tune to build off of. Also does ms3 have lean detection?


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[e30kid89]

Would the price In the first post include a turbo base tune? I want to go standalone for the extra features but would need a base tune to build off of. Also does ms3 have lean detection? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes it has an AFR safety system. Dburt86 should be able to get you a base tune.

Wish I can help more but I'm pretty sure I'm the only car on MS turbo m5x running a MAF which is a bit more tricky to tune/setup for first timers! But if anyone wants to take the plunge, feel free to shoot me a PM!

[Butters Stoch]

Would the price In the first post include a turbo base tune? I want to go standalone for the extra features but would need a base tune to build off of. Also does ms3 have lean detection?

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The time will be based off "your" injectors and your fuel. So, I don't think they can spit those out. But, there are enough knowledge here (someguy2800, e30kid, dburt, 5nails etc etc) you won't have a problem.
Megasquirt will probably come with a base tune for a stock car. But this is good, it deals with crap like ICV and whatnot.
The smart guys will help you with a safe timing map, and fueling VE based isn't like the old days. You will be fine.

[grinchxvx]

The time will be based off "your" injectors and your fuel. So, I don't think they can spit those out. But, there are enough knowledge here (someguy2800, e30kid, dburt, 5nails etc etc) you won't have a problem.
Megasquirt will probably come with a base tune for a stock car. But this is good, it deals with crap like ICV and whatnot.
The smart guys will help you with a safe timing map, and fueling VE based isn't like the old days. You will be fine.

Just figured them might be a 60lb 91 octane tune since that is pretty standard. I'm mostly just looking at it for the extra features. I would still probably want someone else to tune it for me


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[s13flyboy]

Just figured them might be a 60lb 91 octane tune since that is pretty standard. I'm mostly just looking at it for the extra features. I would still probably want someone else to tune it for me


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I will probably also have some one else put me in the ballpark before I start messing around with tuning my self as well.

I think the strength of this set up is the ability to failsafe for any parameter you want and all of them at once.

[someguy2800]

Once you actually start messing with your own tune a bit it will all make sense and you'll be able to make whatever adjustments you want.

[grinchxvx]

Once you actually start messing with your own tune a bit it will all make sense and you'll be able to make whatever adjustments you want.

I can read data logs and I know the basics I'm just not very familiar all the tables


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[dunebuggyjay]

Sign me up for an obd1 setup.

Thanks,
Jay

[wrecklessfool]

Slight delay in my project timeline so go ahead and add me to the list for OBD2

[wazzu70]

Just figured them might be a 60lb 91 octane tune since that is pretty standard. I'm mostly just looking at it for the extra features. I would still probably want someone else to tune it for me


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The timing map is the most difficult and there are plenty of base maps posted. There is a thread with them if you search.

fueling is as easy as entering the injector parameters and the new req_fuel value. That will get you most of the way there.

[dburt86]

Once you have the base settings figured out (trigger patterns, tooth angles, dwell times, ect) which the base tune will have, the rest is very straight forward. Scale the injectors, calibrate to what wideband you have, ect and it will run fine.

The next "hurtle" is the timing. Do some reading, get some help, ect. Typically with these cars, ill leave the timing 10 degrees across the whole map in boost for the first dyno pull, assuming it has a reasonable wastegate spring in it. If ive done a very similar setup i may have a little ramp in there already because ill have an idea of where it will end up.

[Matt Cramer]

Slight delay in my project timeline so go ahead and add me to the list for OBD2

Excellent! We are now at 11 OBD1 and 19 OBD2 sign ups.

[somebody5788]

If I hadn't bought my MS3x I would totally go this route.....

[Mod Addict]

Sign me up for the OBD2.

This should make 20.

Thanks
Greg

[somebody5788]

It's happening!

[Butters Stoch]

It's happening!

Took me a 3/4 hour to convince him. No BS.

[somebody5788]

Took me a 3/4 hour to convince him. No BS.

Giggity.

[chikinhed]

You twisted he rubber mod arm?

[Butters Stoch]

You twisted he rubber mod arm?

Mister Automatic has no mods to do anymore, and Mr Automatic surely could use antilag. Especially with his idea of a 7675 in the future.