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Thread: E36 Hater's Phase 3, AKA what's a budget build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E36 HateR View Post
    I have my doubts but i also have my ideas, a little drip in base pressure will open up the walbro as it'll flow more fuel, and nobody thought I would get to 700whp on a single pump or 1000cc injectors.
    To be fair, in your case the math did work out, there wasn't much for anyone to speak against it on your 2.5L.

    Quote Originally Posted by E36 HateR View Post
    I am thinking about dropping in another walbro, it is an easy fit, we will see what happens.
    FWIW, I'm working on testing a new fuel pump setup soon that will support almost 1000WHP on Ethanol on a single pump, be quiet, keep the fuel cool and draw very low amperage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E36 HateR View Post
    Im on the fence. 600whp on pump would be nice.
    My goal is 600 on pump no meth and 19-20psi.

    Im almost there, the next revision should do it, but i really like being able to stop at any station and fill up hah.
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    What are your thoughts on turbo lab of america? I've been wanting to get one of the ceramic DBB gt35r CHRA's they make. Have you already got your turbo back from them? P.S. Love your build man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zJACKRABBIT View Post
    What are your thoughts on turbo lab of america? I've been wanting to get one of the ceramic DBB gt35r CHRA's they make. Have you already got your turbo back from them? P.S. Love your build man!
    I have no experience with them. Have a buddy who had a very bad experience with them... sounds like OP has had good experiences.

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    Frank - What shop did you use for machine work?

    Its going to be a busy tuning season for Jordan lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajicase View Post

    I have no experience with them. Have a buddy who had a very bad experience with them... sounds like OP has had good experiences.
    Turbo lab hasn't gotten a good review from anyone that I've known.

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    I know they sold a guy here a 35r center section claiming it was genuine Garrett and then when it failed shortly after, he sent it to Garrett and they laughed and told him It was a china copy. Pretty s**tty...

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    Build thread is missing NAWS bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    To be fair, in your case the math did work out, there wasn't much for anyone to speak against it on your 2.5L.



    FWIW, I'm working on testing a new fuel pump setup soon that will support almost 1000WHP on Ethanol on a single pump, be quiet, keep the fuel cool and draw very low amperage.
    I was looking at the magnafuel pump and the fuel lab pump, might switch to one of those for a big single pump.

    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post
    My goal is 600 on pump no meth and 19-20psi.

    Im almost there, the next revision should do it, but i really like being able to stop at any station and fill up hah.
    Yea i think with the safe drop in compression and large IC/exhaust she should be able to make 600whp on 93 safely.
    Quote Originally Posted by zJACKRABBIT View Post
    What are your thoughts on turbo lab of america? I've been wanting to get one of the ceramic DBB gt35r CHRA's they make. Have you already got your turbo back from them? P.S. Love your build man!
    Thanks man, they have been good to me in the past, they have had my turbo for a few months but I'm not too upset as the season hasn't started yet for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by NY98M3 View Post
    Frank - What shop did you use for machine work?

    Its going to be a busy tuning season for Jordan lol
    Lets me and you get on the rollers the same day.
    Quote Originally Posted by e30polak View Post
    Build thread is missing NAWS bro
    Next year ill add some happy happy and some 28 inch slicks lol.


    UPDATE
    Dropped the block and the pistons off at the machine shop for bore/hone and deck/hot tank, might be finished by the end of this week, lets see.

    I just need a crankshaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E36 HateR View Post
    I was looking at the magnafuel pump and the fuel lab pump, might switch to one of those for a big single pump
    Anthony and I both have the double pump hanger from rallyroad. Eric has awesome products fwiw.


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    Quote Originally Posted by E36 HateR View Post
    I was looking at the magnafuel pump and the fuel lab pump, might switch to one of those for a big single pump.


    Yea i think with the safe drop in compression and large IC/exhaust she should be able to make 600whp on 93 safely.

    Thanks man, they have been good to me in the past, they have had my turbo for a few months but I'm not too upset as the season hasn't started yet for me.

    Lets me and you get on the rollers the same day.

    Next year ill add some happy happy and some 28 inch slicks lol.


    UPDATE
    Dropped the block and the pistons off at the machine shop for bore/hone and deck/hot tank, might be finished by the end of this week, lets see.

    I just need a crankshaft.
    Are you going to be running stock fuel lines for your new set up or upgrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeasy View Post
    Anthony and I both have the double pump hanger from rallyroad. Eric has awesome products fwiw.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boostedm333 View Post
    Are you going to be running stock fuel lines for your new set up or upgrade?

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    Im looking into fuel upgrades all over the system, although stock lines have been working very well for me.

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    Ohh ok. Yae mann I was considering stock fuel lines after seeing your dyno chart making 717whp with stock fuel lines. where's my goal is 700whp on e85. But as notorious vr said your set up was a 2.5 which gave you a over head. where's mines is a 3.2.

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    Yea if I were you id have 115lb injectors, 2 pumps, and -8 feed and -6 return.

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    Did you run it down the strip on the 717whp tune? Trap speed?
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    Yae am definitely going with the 115lb I wasn't sure if I wanted to run stock lines. But the -8 feed and -6 return sounds good. If I do Decide to run 2 pumps what size do you rec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E36 HateR View Post
    I was looking at the magnafuel pump and the fuel lab pump, might switch to one of those for a big single pump.
    Not a horrible choice, but they're loud, draw a lot of amps, and heat the fuel up for no reason when cruising.

    The setup I'm talking about is a completely variable/programmable brushless pump setup. The pump and controllers are ready, right now just waiting on have a complete billet aluminum drop in tank setup to be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR View Post
    Not a horrible choice, but they're loud, draw a lot of amps, and heat the fuel up for no reason when cruising.

    The setup I'm talking about is a completely variable/programmable brushless pump setup. The pump and controllers are ready, right now just waiting on have a complete billet aluminum drop in tank setup to be made.
    Keep us posted, I'm intrested
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    The fuel lab pumps are also variable speed but I don't remember what type of input they require to do that. I always thought we need a pump with a flow sensor on the return line so it will run the pump just enough to maintain like 50 lbs/hr of return flow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by someguy2800 View Post
    The fuel lab pumps are also variable speed but I don't remember what type of input they require to do that. I always thought we need a pump with a flow sensor on the return line so it will run the pump just enough to maintain like 50 lbs/hr of return flow.
    My guess would be a pwm control perhaps?

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    Here are the instructions. Apparently they can be switched from low speed to high with a 5V input, which is probably the way I would do it with megasquirt. Or they can be speed controlled with a PMW signal if your ECU can be set up with a table to do so.

    http://fuelab.com/wp-content/uploads...structions.pdf

    Also apparently they already invented the flow controlled system that i was suggesting. They make a regulator with a pressure transducer and restrictor to measure return flow and adjust pump speed automatically.

    http://fuelab.com/tag/prodigy-fuel-pump-speed-control/


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    I think i would just run low/high with that.. tuning would be interesting for a Factory ecu...

    But i think pwm would probably add unnecessary wear to the pump..
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    Quote Originally Posted by vollosso View Post
    I think i would just run low/high with that.. tuning would be interesting for a Factory ecu...

    But i think pwm would probably add unnecessary wear to the pump..
    The motors in the fuel lab pumps are brushless so they are transistor controlled. I don't think they are actually turning the power on and off. Probably just shortening the time that the magnets are energized. I think thats how they do it on brushless cordless drills.


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    My understand of brushless is cursory but the way i understand it is the speed is controlled by the angle at which the magnetic field is applied..

    Regardless i feel like pulsing the power constantly would wear the motor, but perhaps i am wrong
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    2 pumps make alot of heat...At Mpact, I saw E85 temps in the 120F's

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