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Thread: Just another boring LS swap into an E36 M3

  1. #501
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    Got to be a great feeling when it moved under its own power...

    Can't help you much on the issue: obviously pressure at 70+ will make the engine run rich...fouled plugs? Did a wire come loose/chaff thru with a few miles on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Mc View Post
    Got to be a great feeling when it moved under its own power...

    Can't help you much on the issue: obviously pressure at 70+ will make the engine run rich...fouled plugs? Did a wire come loose/chaff thru with a few miles on it?
    I was pumped to drive it, a lot better than looking at it on jackstands for the past year plus. Couldn't beat on it too much with the fresh clutch, but it feels like it's going to be a ton of fun.

    I haven't pulled a plug yet, working on the side of the road in the city with a little pouch of tools at this point. Wire chafing somewhere in the harness is a distinct possibility, especially since it seems like it takes a few minutes for the car to start acting up, which would fall in line with a damaged wire heating up and creating resistance.
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    Highly doubt you will get MAF code on bad fuel, plus it won't just randomly shut off. It would've ran like crap all the time.

    If you get code on MAF, try unplugging the MAF and drive around see if it repeats with MAF unplugged. Also, try connecting OBDII reader with live data to see if your MAP is still alive and shows reading after being connected to oil pressure switch. Both MAF and MAP are somewhat related and could be your issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bimerok View Post
    Highly doubt you will get MAF code on bad fuel, plus it won't just randomly shut off. It would've ran like crap all the time.

    If you get code on MAF, try unplugging the MAF and drive around see if it repeats with MAF unplugged. Also, try connecting OBDII reader with live data to see if your MAP is still alive and shows reading after being connected to oil pressure switch. Both MAF and MAP are somewhat related and could be your issue.
    Car died after 10-15 seconds without the MAF the other day, but it was after it had started dying, not when it was cold.

    I went to the JY today and got a MAF off a known good engine. Symptoms didn't change, still started having issues after 10 or so minutes today when driving around in low gears.
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    The saga continues, cross posting this from LS1tech, sorry if this repeats some older info.

    Car appears to be running very rich to the point where it seems like the engine is flooding. It will run okay for a bit, then start to bog. Pulled the plug on cylinder 1 and it was very dark and slightly wet. Had a P1635 code, checked 5v reference at the MAP, oil pressure, and fuel tank pressure, and all checked out- I did not have A/C flashed out of the PCM when I got my base tune, and I'm guessing this code is lingering because I do not have the A/C nor the pressure sensor set up. I checked O2 sensors, and unplugging the sensors does not change how the car runs, nor does it trigger a CEL. Measuring the wires on the harness side with a voltmeter shows both the tan and purple wires putting out 4.6-4.9v. I unpinned one of the tan wires at the PCM and checked again with key on power, and the voltage disappeared.

    Any thoughts? Here's the plug.
    Last edited by squashman702; 06-21-2017 at 09:29 PM.
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    How's it going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
    How's it going?

    Tipsy
    Still having the same stalling issue.

    I borrowed a scanner that can read sensor outputs, and I have yet to come up with anything that seems off while the car idles. The car has no problem idling for an extended period of time. Coolant temp sits at 195*, and there is no stalling. I replaced the C5 regulator thinking mine had maybe been defective- no change. I replaced the Aeromotive 340 with a Walbro 255 after reading that the 340 may cause issues when using a C5 regulator. This brought the fuel pressure closer to being in line, but it is still reading high at the rail with around 65-70 psi. I tried blowing air through the return line, which dropped the pressure slightly, so I'm wondering if I still have a restriction which is causing pressure to jump once the car is running for a few minutes. I need to be able to data log while the car is stalling, which I'm not sure I have the ability to do with the borrowed scanner, so I need to lean on one of my mechanic friends to help me out at this point.

    I've been parting out a couple of cars in the meantime, and working on a Wrangler as a flip, so that's been a distraction from the M3.
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    Car has been running better the past couple days. I was able to drive it for 10 or so minutes without issue near my shop, which was something that I could not do on the Aeromotive 340. My mechanic friend suggested we reset the PCM after looking at long term fuel trims that seemed to be way off, which was something I missed and definitely didn't think of. This seems to have cured the running issue for the time being, drove it multiple times for 20 minutes or so last night without issue. The car pulls hard and doesn't seem to be bogging like it was before. I may try to squeeze in a longer drive today, then take it to get inspected. Luckily MA is dumb, and the four year old sticker on the car matches the color for the stickers expiring in 2018, so I can probably get away with it for a bit. I still need to look into the fuel pressure issue, as I checked it yesterday, and it was still showing at 74 PSI at the rail.
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    These Photobucket restrictions have ruined a lot of good threads photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanthor991 View Post
    These Photobucket restrictions have ruined a lot of good threads photos.
    There are browser extensions/plug-ins that will fix the Photobucket issue.

    Tipsy

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    due tell. i need to get my threads pics back... how do we do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TipsyMcStagger View Post
    There are browser extensions/plug-ins that will fix the Photobucket issue.

    Tipsy
    Sure, if you always browse on a PC, but you're just fixing it for yourself and not others. If you're like me and primarily browse on your phone/tablet you're SOL.

  13. #513
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSxDreamer View Post
    Sure, if you always browse on a PC, but you're just fixing it for yourself and not others. If you're like me and primarily browse on your phone/tablet you're SOL.
    I understand that. I'm just offering information that others might not be aware of.

    The OP's of threads with images hosted on PB can edit each post that contains linked photos and upload those images directly to the forum. Cumbersome and time consuming but it can be done.

    Tipsy

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    So, long time, no update. I made a career change in May of last year, and did not find a job I wanted until October, so funds for this were not as readily available for this toy. The plus is I now work in a brewery, so I can use my beer budget for car stuff. Here's an update on some of the issues I was having with the car:

    T-56:
    Ended up getting the car driving at the end of last season. I initially had an issue with the first to second shift being near impossible. At some point, this issue changed, and I kept having issues with the car jamming in 3rd and 4th gear. Took advantage of the Tick Black Friday sale, and sent the T56 out for the GTO stage 1 rebuild at the end of December. Found out from Tick that the T56 was good minus a part of the 3-4 blocker ring missing completely, and some slight wear on the reverse gear. Put the transmission back in around the beginning of March, and everything is good so far with the 150 or so miles I've put on the car on the couple of nice days we've had in MA.

    Fuel:
    Another substantial issue I was in the process of fixing was the high fuel pressure I was experiencing at the fuel rail. Initially, I had an Aeromotive Stealth 340 fuel pump in a Rally Road sleeve. This resulted in 78-80 PSI at the rail with a C5 regulator, and factory feed and return lines to that point in the system. After some troubleshooting detailed in a few posts prior, I swapped to a Walbro 255 pump in the same setup. This dropped the pressure at the rail a few PSI to around 70-72, which made the car able to drive. Further inspection determined the restriction was in the return side of the system, specifically at the jet or siphon pump in the E36 tank. The car ran at 60 PSI with the return attached to the top of the tank but the siphon pump disconnected. Removal of a couple of screens within the siphon pump itself, and drilling out the holes to a larger size resulted in it functioning normally with a rail pressure around 60 PSI. Car feels much better now and no longer stinks of fuel from running too rich.

    Upgrades:
    I parted out a 1999 M3 convertible with a hydrolocked engine in the fall, and the owner had added Bilstein Group N coilovers. These got swapped onto my car shortly thereafter. Also, built a modified X brace for underneath the car, which actually made a noticeable difference in handling. Also, when the T56 was out, I cleaned up and re-loomed a lot of the wiring in the front clip, deleting wiring for fog lights, exterior temp sensor, A/C wiring, electric fan, etc.

    Planned:
    The M3 vert I parted also had the ECS 345mm brake kit on it, so that will be going on once the wheel and tire setup are upgraded, since these will not clear with stock Contours. I currently have a pair of 17x9 ET30 Apex ARC-8's, and am planning to add 17x9.5 ET25 rears. I also parted a 1998 M3 coupe in January with my shop mate, and the car had a carbon fiber sunroof delete, so that may be added as well. I also need a full alignment, and am likely going to get a street/dyno tune, since I'm still running the baseline tune to get the car running, and it seems like there is a lot left on the table.

    Here's a couple of pictures of this garbage:
    20180114_162506 by David B, on Flickr

    20180126_180222 by David B, on Flickr

    20180211_121134 by David B, on Flickr

    20180303_205921 by David B, on Flickr

    20180303_210529 by David B, on Flickr

    20180414_145437 by David B, on Flickr

    20180414_145504 by David B, on Flickr

    20180414_145611 by David B, on Flickr

    20180414_145534 by David B, on Flickr
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