So if a 6 speed is going in, to run the 4.6is software would require a custom DME tune for the manual?
Do we know that the 4.6 converter is larger?
All I know is that it has a 400 rpm higher stall speed.
And the 4.4 converter might stall higher behind a 4.6 than the rating for a 4.4.
Normally a higher stalling converter is smaller, but we know it's not smaller, just different. 4.4 convertor is nominal 11".
I know someone who could check.
The 4.6 is bigger,
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Plattus what supercharger setup are you planning?
E85 fueled, Eaton m112 supercharged 4.5L M62TU, TTV racing flywheel, Spec stage 2+ clutch, 88c thermostat, eibach sway bars, wavetrac 3.15 lsd, m5 steering box, Quantum 340lph fuel pump, Dinan camber plates, some powerflex bushings, Supersprint headers, M5 cats, 2001 gas pedal upgrade and many other things done. all diy by me
Well there you have it.
I searched the internet for info and couldn't find that.
You'll have to ask Wagons_Ho, he's building what I want.
It'll be the last on a longer and longer list as time goes by.
In the beginning of this thread, where I'm talking about building a strong 4.6 to handle some forced air without strain, aboit that time, WH started thinking about how to make a blower that wouldn't destroy the engine.
As for the DME tune, possibly not but because BMW, yes most likely. The Alpina B10 or B8 could be mapped out and partitioned. I think DUDMD has these files.
Team that up with info we have from ess and other centrifugal chargers on say an m5's DME?
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Still patiently waiting on Wagons ho's supercharger project, in the meantime i'm installing ms3x on mine, starting with fuel only
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E85 fueled, Eaton m112 supercharged 4.5L M62TU, TTV racing flywheel, Spec stage 2+ clutch, 88c thermostat, eibach sway bars, wavetrac 3.15 lsd, m5 steering box, Quantum 340lph fuel pump, Dinan camber plates, some powerflex bushings, Supersprint headers, M5 cats, 2001 gas pedal upgrade and many other things done. all diy by me
I still think the 4.6 TC will fit the 4.4. A friend of mine confirmed he had done this on a 4.4 x5...
E85 fueled, Eaton m112 supercharged 4.5L M62TU, TTV racing flywheel, Spec stage 2+ clutch, 88c thermostat, eibach sway bars, wavetrac 3.15 lsd, m5 steering box, Quantum 340lph fuel pump, Dinan camber plates, some powerflex bushings, Supersprint headers, M5 cats, 2001 gas pedal upgrade and many other things done. all diy by me
I do not think the trans will fit just the torque converter...
E85 fueled, Eaton m112 supercharged 4.5L M62TU, TTV racing flywheel, Spec stage 2+ clutch, 88c thermostat, eibach sway bars, wavetrac 3.15 lsd, m5 steering box, Quantum 340lph fuel pump, Dinan camber plates, some powerflex bushings, Supersprint headers, M5 cats, 2001 gas pedal upgrade and many other things done. all diy by me
I can confirm that the trans do have some swapability,
4.6 trans will fit into a 740i and the trans from the 740i will swap into the x5 , pulling the trans from my 4.6is right now and going to put it in the 7 , just swap the rear output shaft , as far as computers go , those are completely plug-and-play however, the 4.6IS , EGS is programmed to lock up the torque converter a lot more, I have 4.6IS EGS units in my e38 ,e39 and X5, witch will be getting a regular non sport trans, and I guarantee it will work fine but still lock up the converter a lot more. Not going to do a manual swap because I love my paddle shifters.
IMG_20190311_011821.jpgthis is a sport trans going into the 4.6is
IMG_20190311_011829.jpgScreenshot_20190311-012451.jpgaccording to ZF the 4.4 X5 has its own bell different from the 4.6is and sporte38/e39. Use this link to find out what you can swap it's how I did it. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1552292947921
Has anyone noticed that the 4.6 uses a under-driven crank pully vs the stock 4.4 , this is more for making power than reducing rotating mass right?15529568350332589379092569982489.jpg
4.4 PN 11231741773
4.6 PN 11237513336
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Last edited by Jaspr6; 03-18-2019 at 08:58 PM.
Huh! Interesting! Am I right in eyeballing that both belts are slightly under driven but the AC is just more under driven?
If you had one for free / cheap great but $600 for the .732 hp it represents is prob not really worth getting too excited about.
Cool data fact though.
2003 M3CicM6 TiAg
2002 540iT Sport Vortech S/C 6MT LSD TiAg
2008 Audi A3 2.0T DSG (the daily beater)
2014 BMW X1 xDrive28i (wifemobile)
Former:
1985 MB Euro graymarket 300SL
1995.5 Audi S6 Avant (utility/winter billetturbobattlewagen)
Have you calculated what is your dynamic compression ratio when vanos is advanced?
I also have a b46 block with b44tu heads. But the deck is lowered by just 0.1mm or less.
I had to do timing cams in the old school style. I used two dials. I couldn't use cams lock pieces because cams were more aggressive than b46 standard.
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Sorry to shift gears but I've been silent a while, waiting for new things to add.
Yesterday DMI in Ballard WA (Dimitry) Let me have my car back after a few weeks without her. He'd spent the last few days (not weeks, sorry. I just parked the car) trying to ferret out a power loss I've had since the 4.6/4.4 tune.
While in there, he also took care of some other needed things:
Fuel filter, air filter, oil lines, brake lines, trans drain/fill-filter, new o2 sensors, air bags in the sls rear, plugs and a coil.
This next week, I'll visit the other Dimitry in Auburn WA at DUDMD.
With luck, he can pull my DME and re-write it or toss in another. For one reason or another, mine is sick. He can fix or replace it.
The last piece I need to secure for diagnostics would be the Mark IV nav computer to make my BUS system read ALL the codes it has... Germans.
If this all goes well, I'll try to put down some real numbers and post them.
I still am waiting on a part for Ghostbutts and some read-outs for m5Jed.
I am trying. Not on the Dead Pool thread yet GG!
Once everyone else is happy, I will be doing this;
https://forums.bimmerforums.com/foru...-DIY-with-Pics
Since I've had the wavetrac since I had my sedan (bad kid, I know.)
Last edited by Plattus1000; 06-07-2019 at 06:32 PM.
Hi,
Why not a real LSD diff?
I just made a diff swap.
Previously i have a 2.81 ratio 25% LSD and now there is a 3.38 40% LSD. It's fun now…
e39 540i/530d custom ratio Lsd Diff starting price was just over $1,500.
I think the LSD with stock 2.81 ratio would be cheaper.
My diff has new Timke bearings and 40%/15% locking and 4 friction shims and special assimetrical 30º Accel/60º Decel ramps. Also a custom 3.38 ratio. The total price and shipping costs were $1,980.
I don't know how much Wawetrack is. But this custom diff was plug and play. No machining, etc.
3.38 Diff in test and action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va2ujuW4laE
Last edited by AnttiJuhani; 06-12-2019 at 08:33 AM.
A WaveTrac is $1299 through DiffsOnline and has a stellar reputation for performance and durability. Could not be happier with mine. No clunking or whining, just insane grip.
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I have no clue what is is with vanos advance, I have been testing the engine out and can say that it is safe to run fuel as low as (87 AKI) (RON 91) with it's 12:1 static and 4.6 cams.
call me crazy for doing that but I can get away with it because I run a reduced coolant temp and Low intake air tempatures.
Have been watching how much timing the sensors pull and it's still safe at wot, no issues , I'm sure you will have no issue with a higher rating fuel.
These two compare 85AKI & 101 AKI. 91 Aki Was somewhere in the middle.
Matter of fact I recommend everyone reduce their coolant temp to 90c , better ignition advance, longer engie life and more stable oil temps, trade off is slightly more emissions, cats take care of most of it.
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Last edited by Jaspr6; 07-20-2019 at 05:25 AM.
This is such a good thread with so much information and knowledge.
I've read it twice now, and its made me decide to build a m62b46 instead of a m62b44.
Looking forward to those dyno numbers.
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