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    Interest on a Very Budget Supercharger Build??

    Update 19th October 2016

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    ADDED FULL SUPPORT FOR: M54/S54/S52/S50/M50

    Available Now.

    Also I now Ship out the Supercharger on Request as well as providing a full laser cut bolt on bracket set, belt, pulley for a base kit which can be further customized, Can also do custom manifolds if required. All Shipped internationally to your door.


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    Hello fellas, I'm Hyde from New Zealand. We have been working on a project on and off this year to build a very budget but reliable supercharger kit. Our brackets have been made to fit the very inexpensive Toyota SC14 supercharger onto any M50/M52 motor and those other M3 motors based off them like the S50/S52's. The project is almost finished and final versions have gone into my M52B28/328i and we expect a good 100HP gained from it.

    I wanted to see the kind of interest there was for our design here.

    Now offering the technical drawing white print templates for sale for around $200 a set with a 19 Page Guide
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    So all you do is source out a SC14 Supercharger locally (~$200) and Then use my template design to have the brackets made and my instructions to have it all bolted up and running.
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    Does your kit include the correct MAF and piping? What about a tune? What about a belt? I'm still confused on what your kit includes. A complete kit should be exactly that. Nothing else to source no bolts or belts to purchase. I like the idea of supplying us with the tech drawings and letting us source our own blower but the details on the rest of it are a little fuzzy.

    PS most shops I deal with prefer digital copies of those tech drawings

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    Hey Fly, I am still unsure to what you are asking, but as I said this is still work in progress, more like in final stages so I figured I'd see if there was much intrest on this as an sub ~ $1000 boost setup. I mean why not provide our design for others to make use of and construct a similar kit as us while I get some returns on my investment.

    - We are using the stock MAF, You can however use a 540i Maf when you are Tuning it.

    - Our Tune is only for EU cars (My DME is MS41) and even then was not absolutely required but for optimal AFR & Performance.

    - You can either have it tuned locally or I can put you through to my Tuner who can Tune it remotely provided you have an ADS or INPA Connection.

    - Size of Belt and All that details right down to the BMW part number Pulley to use on tentioner are all in the Instructional Guide.

    - We can provide complete bolt on brackets painted and shipped if buyer wants to pay for it + cover the international shipping and other costs, there will also be a waiting time for that.

    - For now I have decided to keep things simple and to only sell the white prints shipped with instructions so buyer can have them made themselves, follow my install instructions & source out the blower.


    Basically I will be selling you the design and right to reproduce 1 set of brackets, I will provide a detailed guide that will go step by step that is easy to follow and right down to whatever few parts including where to get the blower and any modifications/relocations needed for all of it to work and make life easy for you; So there is nothing you have to figure out for yourself. The technical drawings will be precise and shipped as physical white prints to you with the instructional guide that has enough descriptions, pictures, list of parts required, pulley options & swaps, relocation of any equipment we have come across, even the CCV delete, Sensor Relocations and everything in between, We have put a lot of man hours to figure everything out (100hrs approx) and that would be put in the guide and detailed enough for any novice to do it.

    We only needed 5 extra Bolts, All for the Bracket, Everything else is OEM. Our Bracket replaces the whole power steering assembly brackets. As I say, its mostly OEM with just extra piping for vacuum extensions, Bunch of Intercooler Piping, Silicone Hoses, Hose Clamps, Fancy Welding to shape the Supercharger Intake/Boost Pipes the way we wanted, 2 barbs for the ICV, and few for the charcoal filter this and that.. So the design is simply the base, from where you can build it the way you like, at a fraction of the cost of full blown kits... Relocation of things in the way and the brackets itself were the hardest parts, rest is just plumbing and choosing colors.



    Here's some more

    https://m52supercharged.wordpress.com/about-the-design/

    https://m52supercharged.wordpress.co...ed-power-gain/

    https://m52supercharged.wordpress.co...-supercharger/
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    I don't think Toyota used the supercharger as much on usa models. I have some vague recollection of a supercharged Mr2 and maybe a previa van but both of those were low sales here and long ago. A true Toyota enthusiast would have better info than me.

    This supercharger is for low boost as you have noted. A couple of tuners in the USA made kits for these cars that were $4k to $8k but used larger blowers in the 1.6 to 1.8L range. Not very many were sold due to the cost.

    Tuning is important unless you can diy. The extra pressure requires timing reduction. And the flow will overwhelm even m52/s52 injectors. If you have to pay for a custom tune, the cost goes up. It's development time. Once developed for a motor, cost may drop. The stock hfm is probably good for 300 rwhp if using a resistor. That is as far as this little blower is likely to go.

    Hope it is feasible here and someone tries it. I like these inexpensive low boost systems. A 328 or USA spec M3 would be entertaining with another 100 hp. I started with a used centrifugal kit that added about that much.

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    its 1.4l roots type blower, Used on MR2's and Early Supras from what I gather, but as well as in 90's Estimas,Previa, Crown...

    "found on the Toyota 1GGZE motor, this unit is easily distinguished by its smaller 6 Rib Pulley with the Cross and Yellow Dipstick, From what I gather these are commonly found in the Toyota Crowns with the 1GGZE Engines (as GS120, GS121, GS130) 1988–1990 Toyota Mark II/Chaser/Cresta GX81 and Toyota Supra’s from 85-89. There are a few variations of the SC14 Supercharger, the one in the Previa is quite similar but the tabs are bent a bit forwards as well as being slightly offset towards the pulley side, mainly it’s mounting points and manifolds that vary across different Toyota cars, so please make sure you have the right charger from the 1GGZE for the installation, if all fails you can however may be able to still use these brackets but with some custom modifications to ensure it sits just right."
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    What do you get for $150? Specific list

    What hast to be manufactured? Specific list

    What parts have to be sourced by the purchaser besides the blower and a tune?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterM52 View Post
    its 1.4l roots type blower, Used on MR2's and Early Supras from what I gather, but as well as in 90's Estimas,Previa, Crown...

    "found on the Toyota 1GGZE motor, this unit is easily distinguished by its smaller 6 Rib Pulley with the Cross and Yellow Dipstick, From what I gather these are commonly found in the Toyota Crowns with the 1GGZE Engines (as GS120, GS121, GS130) 1988–1990 Toyota Mark II/Chaser/Cresta GX81 and Toyota Supra’s from 85-89. There are a few variations of the SC14 Supercharger, the one in the Previa is quite similar but the tabs are bent a bit forwards as well as being slightly offset towards the pulley side, mainly it’s mounting points and manifolds that vary across different Toyota cars, so please make sure you have the right charger from the 1GGZE for the installation, if all fails you can however may be able to still use these brackets but with some custom modifications to ensure it sits just right."
    Looks like us USA peeps will have to get a blower from overseas. True Toyota fan boiz can correct me but from my time messing around with Supras I seem to remember something about the 1GGZE never being sold in North American Toyotas.
    BRB, googling prices...

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    I see 2 units on eblay.
    $160 Aus and $470 Aus. Wtf Aussies?

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    I remember back in the day when I messed around with RX-7s when a guy welded up a bracket and stuck a Eaton supercharger that was very common in junkyards at the time (Ford Thunderbird) on his NA 13B and posted up. Suddenly the bidding on the Eatons on eblay trippled, LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEC928 View Post
    Looks like us USA peeps will have to get a blower from overseas. True Toyota fan boiz can correct me but from my time messing around with Supras I seem to remember something about the 1GGZE never being sold in North American Toyotas.
    BRB, googling prices...

    - - - Updated - - -

    I see 2 units on eblay.
    $160 Aus and $470 Aus. Wtf Aussies?

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    I remember back in the day when I messed around with RX-7s when a guy welded up a bracket and stuck a Eaton supercharger that was very common in junkyards at the time (Ford Thunderbird) on his NA 13B and posted up. Suddenly the bidding on the Eatons on eblay trippled, LOL.
    Lol...Thats all we have down here, Eatons cost 1.5K a pop, the SC14's cost 1/3 that...the Aussis Weld these SC14 chargers to their Holden bogan cars and well most kiwis are too pussy to do anything of that sort, so its 90% of the time a turbo build that costs many times as much unless they buy a Supercharger Kit from over seas, I will be mainly targeting local market place, but wanted to see if there was any interest in the US market for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by flyfishvt View Post
    What do you get for $150? Specific list

    What hast to be manufactured? Specific list

    What parts have to be sourced by the purchaser besides the blower and a tune?
    You get, Technical Drawings/White Prints & Instructional Guide

    You Manufacture based on the Drawings 2 Brackets, Upper and Lower, Also Modify the Supercharger Manifolds as you like.

    You Source out (apart from the Blower & Tune) a BMW Tensoner Pulley, Vac & Intake Hoses, Few Barbs, Clamps & Intake Pipes, Pod Filter, A Few bolts.

    Thats from the top of my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boarder2k7 View Post
    Don't sell this kit. If you do, I will be tempted, and if I succumb to that temptation, tickets may ensue and my insurance rates will go up.

    I repeat, please don't make this kit.
    He's not selling "a kit". A kit is a collection of pre-fabricated parts that you DIY assemble and tune.

    He's selling "technical drawings", as in the blueprints that you would use to DIY fabricate your own kit from your own parts based on his design, then DIY assemble and tune.

    So, the money saved by not buying a kit is spent on welder, welding classes, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters Stoch View Post
    x9938484939984849

    Definitely looks like a very cool project. I would love to see the finished product without the belt squeal and some proper acceleration videos/dyno runs and projected costs. Even then i feel like this will be a tough sell in the US as most people already skip the supercharger kits and go straight for the turbo... what is advertised in this thread isnt even a complete kit or close to it, which is why i think most people will be hesitant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitaliy View Post
    x9938484939984849

    Definitely looks like a very cool project. I would love to see the finished product without the belt squeal and some proper acceleration videos/dyno runs and projected costs. Even then i feel like this will be a tough sell in the US as most people already skip the supercharger kits and go straight for the turbo... what is advertised in this thread isnt even a complete kit or close to it, which is why i think most people will be hesitant.


    If you expect me to sell a WHOLE 5 - 7 PSI SUPERCHARGER KIT for $150. Then you can go engage the fog lights, dont be more delusional than I am. But if the buyer requested and was up to pay, I would make them a kit. The AC Belt is Sqealing, The project should be done by the end of this month. And will have some more videos, and eventual DYNO runs in December. Stay tuned.

    Quote Originally Posted by JEC928 View Post
    He's not selling "a kit". A kit is a collection of pre-fabricated parts that you DIY assemble and tune.

    He's selling "technical drawings", as in the blueprints that you would use to DIY fabricate your own kit from your own parts based on his design, then DIY assemble and tune.

    So, the money saved by not buying a kit is spent on welder, welding classes, etc.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnHzBvSog0E

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    It all depends, for $150 I will sell the drawings mailed to address with full instructions.

    Should take about 5 Hrs to have the whole Brackets cut and welded up. We are using 6mm Panel steel and angles (for the top mount) People in NZ Spend $6000 to get a supercharger setup from the US, given those make more power, mine can go up to 8PSI and costs $150 to get the designs and have some guy cut it all up, a blower runs around $300 -$400 NZD. Then that\s that. Even with all the work done, you have set up a supercharger for close to $1K mark..a lot less then what you have in other kits..

    But if somebody wants I can also have the whole kit fabricated, It can be from just the brackets & pulley ready to bolt on to even including shipping a 12KG SC14 supercharger all ready to bolt on and go, that is if the buyer wants to pay, all depends on what they want to spend! I rather just keep it simple and sell either brackets or drawings(blueprints/whiteprints), and they can source out a supercharger and then some bits, barbs, tubing and woosh they go.
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    Your $1000 estimate is low. Double it. Or triple it. You have failed to include the cost of a tune and new injectors. That's about $1000. I had a super charger last year and the least expensive tune I could find was $800 and that didn't include injectors. You guys down under may have an endless supply of those supercharges in junk yards but we don't. Even if you find one there's a good chance it will need a rebuild. You haven't included any cost estimates for new exhaust. Anyone running 6-8lbs of boost will be very disappointed if they're running it on a restrictive stock exhaust.

    No one suggested you're selling a complete kit for $150. It took several days to find out out exactly what you were charging and what was included. I have no problem with the price but the project and cost estimates have some major flaws.

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    $1000 USD would be $1500 NZD which is more then enough, most of our time went refining it a few times, then of course you would be left with a tune, here's somebodies dyno runing 4.5 psi on stock motor/injectors, under 5 psi afr ratios good and more than "acceptable" but as always get a tune for optimal performance, specially when running more boost.

    bare in mind, NZ dynos are very different US ones.

    4.5psi.png

    On a personal note Fly, I always tend to find you in your posts to be hesitant or rather disinterested to really help, more so perhaps being tired of having done this twenty thousand times before, and now solely critic, suspecting and to a degree not wanting to let in on solutions or be bothered to go the extra mile. That said I guess you do have a good point, what I am trying to construct would appeal to the more so diy type of people, those who don't mind a bit of a challenge, and greatly to those who have access/skills to use a welder & torch/grinder/machinery, I would expect the avrage american car enthusiast with own garage space to swiftly get it done in a week taking their time. and then the other being those in NZ/Aus where bringing in kits that cost $4000 - $6000 is quite hefty and M3 motors still run around the same price..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterM52 View Post
    If you expect me to sell a WHOLE 5 - 7 PSI SUPERCHARGER KIT for $150. Then you can go engage the fog lights, dont be more delusional than I am. But if the buyer requested and was up to pay, I would make them a kit. The AC Belt is Sqealing, The project should be done by the end of this month. And will have some more videos, and eventual DYNO runs in December. Stay tuned.



    It all depends, for $150 I will sell the drawings mailed to address with full instructions.

    Should take about 5 Hrs to have the whole Brackets cut and welded up. We are using 6mm Panel steel and angles (for the top mount) People in NZ Spend $6000 to get a supercharger setup from the US, given those make more power, mine can go up to 8PSI and costs $150 to get the designs and have some guy cut it all up, a blower runs around $300 -$400 NZD. Then that\s that. Even with all the work done, you have set up a supercharger for close to $1K mark..a lot less then what you have in other kits..

    But if somebody wants I can also have the whole kit fabricated, It can be from just the brackets & pulley ready to bolt on to even including shipping a 12KG SC14 supercharger all ready to bolt on and go, that is if the buyer wants to pay, all depends on what they want to spend! I rather just keep it simple and sell either brackets or drawings(blueprints/whiteprints), and they can source out a supercharger and then some bits, barbs, tubing and woosh they go.
    Yes, I am interested in the cost for a complete kit, do tell! I wasnt saying you should be selling a complete kit for $150. I was saying that selling this idea in the US will be difficult period because of the reasons stated in every post above me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters Stoch View Post
    So what kinda power is to be expected ?
    According to the dyno posted, 208 im hoping thats rwhp and not crank hp? for a 328 running 4.5psi on an unknown tune and mods.

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    I'm in but only if it's a complete kit with bolts etc. Make sure you ship to the UK too.
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    just saying US people, found a supercharger on ebay for like $350, friend of mine who is a toyota tech told me they come off the previa
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterM52 View Post
    $1000 USD would be $1500 NZD which is more then enough, most of our time went refining it a few times, then of course you would be left with a tune, here's somebodies dyno runing 4.5 psi on stock motor/injectors, under 5 psi afr ratios good and more than "acceptable" but as always get a tune for optimal performance, specially when running more boost. bare in mind, NZ dynos are very different US ones. <img src="http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=553076"/> On a personal note Fly, I always tend to find you in your posts to be hesitant or rather disinterested to really help, more so perhaps being tired of having done this twenty thousand times before, and now solely critic, suspecting and to a degree not wanting to let in on solutions or be bothered to go the extra mile. That said I guess you do have a good point, what I am trying to construct would appeal to the more so diy type of people, those who don't mind a bit of a challenge, and greatly to those who have access/skills to use a welder & torch/grinder/machinery, I would expect the avrage american car enthusiast with own garage space to swiftly get it done in a week taking their time. and then the other being those in NZ/Aus where bringing in kits that cost $4000 - $6000 is quite hefty and M3 motors still run around the same price..
    I like to play devils advocate when I see something that doesn't make sense or something that does not include a lot of info. For example.....you said AFRs were good....what were they? Do you have a data log to show this? I can't quite believe your AFRs were sufficient when you're running stock injectors and stock tune and 4-8lbs of boost. No one else wants to ask these questions. I'm not afraid to. If you have a legitimate product or product design I'll be the first person to be a cheerleader and recommend it to others. Ask the owner of Dano Performance. All I'm saying is I see holes in your product. I need answers. If that makes me a Debbie Downer or a Negative Nanny so be it. All I can say is I've been in sales for 30 years. I love it when people ask questions. I love it when people question me on the products and programs I sell. I live it when people say...well this guy said he's better.

    Your design is for a bracket. But you are forgetting the cost of all tubing required. How about a diverter/bypass valve for the intake? Does your kit include designs for any of these? If you want to win me over? If you want to be professional about this then do up a complete parts list and spec sheet for this build. Include reasonable prices for each part. Facts and figures I'll buy....afr's were good.....not so much
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    flyfishvt has got an excellent point. It is almost as if you are compiling your own research, every bit of data, cost, and results should be written down and told to us. I would definitely be interested in any kit or just the set up for one of these superchargers in my 328is. Without every point laid out and a parts list and cost shown you will have 10x more people interested. Without you will leave people confused and lose potential customers.
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