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    Hey thanks guys! Appreciate the feedback. I guess Im not selling my 78 ford f-150 here for 90k!! HA. Yeah your all right I actually know better....I am a perfectionist when it come to mechanicals but busting my butt on this car trying to get it back into life was so time intensive! Bought it 3yrs ago took the whole motor apart except for the heads and put back together with all new seals and such...knuckle buster when the engine is still in the car!.....i failed to put the final details in .remaing covers etc and crap pics on my cell phone to CArtoonz's mentioning!! Especially asking 90K for a car of this caliber.
    Ok back to the chitty chitty barn and ill have her back online with better pics and finished!! Maybe ill splurge for the CSI spoiler too as its just not the same without it. Its crying out to me at night saying' Finish me with the spoiler!!
    Thanks everyone for your feedback!! Ive had so many BMW's and have to say, this is the coolest GT bimmer ever built! I think Taylors quote is the James Bond car!!

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    Great plan I have taken my CSI off the market. I have realized not ready to let go of her yet :-)

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    This will be interesting:
    https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C998025

    Have decided it's time to test the market, if nothing else.

    And there's another itch that needs scratching, before I'm too old to enjoy it!
    Last edited by kiwiCSi; 05-29-2018 at 05:26 PM.
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    1986 E23 M745iA Arctic Blue
    1986 E24 635CSi Polaris
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    Absolutely beautiful car.
    Is this an Auction or do you have a set price in mind?



    Quote Originally Posted by kiwiCSi View Post
    This will be interesting:
    https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C998025

    Have decided it's time to test the market, if nothing else.

    And there's another itch that needs scratching, before I'm too old to enjoy it!
    Board Member of SoCalEights (Marketing, Web Development & Social Media), Vice President: BMWCCA/E31 Chapter, www.cartiologyfilms.com
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    1997 BMW 840Ci Black on Beige. CSI 62, 107 and 16. Euro-CSi #892.
    Client Represented E31s (Cartiology Films)
    1994 BMW 850CSi #11 USA, 1994 BMW 850CSi #31 USA, 1994 BMW 850CSi #58 USA
    93-850Ci - manual 6 speed. 97-850Ci - M73 Steptronic. 94-CSi 125, 95-CSi 162 Daytona Violet, CSi 198 White on Red
    Past E31s:
    1991 BMW 850i. Calypso Red on Beige Nappa and 1995 BMW 840Ci. Bright Red on Beige Nappa
    1997 BMW 840Ci. Black On Black Nappa, but changed to Dakar Yellow on Black Nappa and 1994 BMW 850CSi #27. Red On light Silver.
    1991 BMW 850i. Automatic. Red On Black and 1996 BMW 850Ci. Automatic. Midnight Blue on Gray.
    1994 BMW 850CSi. Black On Blak #107, Black/Black 97-840. White/White CSi. Silver/Silver 97-840

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alec Cartio View Post
    Absolutely beautiful car.
    Is this an Auction or do you have a set price in mind?
    Thanks Alec - she's certainly a beauty.
    I do have a set price in mind - based on recent sales around the globe, and comparing those examples with this car's condition and mileage.
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    CSI info has been helpful

    I have been very interested in reading all your posts as I have a csi I may need to sell. It was my husbands car he loved and drove daily until his death 8 years ago. He maintained it well but he used it and it must have at least 125k on it. Everything is original except he had Dinan chips put in when we first got it. We bought it new in dec 1994 in the Bay Area. For the past 5 years it has been garaged by a friend who drives it occasionally and keeps it maintained. It has no mechanical issues and the interior is surprisingly almost pristine. Exterior has original paint but dings as woud be expected from daily use... still a beauty tho. Black on black. I don’t expect to sell it to a collector but rather someone who wants to enjoy the pleasure of driving it. My friend needs his garage space so now i must consider what to do with it. I have no idea how to sell it or what to ask as no one seems to appreciate what a wonderful car it is. Your forum has been helpful. Thank you

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    Any pictures and Vehicle Identification Number/Vin?

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    When I get it to my house I’ll take some pictures.
    The vin isWBSEG9321RCD00107. I haven’t seen it except from a distance in 5 years. I know it’s been well taken care of but can’t remember many details. Should have it back within the month tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbjedi View Post
    I have no idea how to sell it or what to ask as no one seems to appreciate what a wonderful car it is.
    I strongly recommend advertising your car on the website "Bring A Trailer" (BaT). I used that site to sell my 37K mile 6-speed two weeks ago and the results were much better than I expected. With BaT, the market determines the price. You'll have to give them exclusive rights to it for a week before you can advertise it anywhere else. The only cost to you is $99 to register and $39 for a CARFAX report. I have no affiliation with BaT. I just really like their business model and feel this is the best way to market a car like this online (to both US and International buyers). BMWs and Porsches tend to do very well there.

    To get top dollar for your car you'll need to be completely transparent, supply lots of photos, and stay involved in the discussion by answering questions as soon as they come up. Yes your car has higher miles, but it is a 1-owner CSi (I'm assuming a CA car as well . . . bonus). Plus you sound like you are going to be realistic on your selling price. Here is the link to my listing so you can see for yourself if this is something you are interested in doing: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-bmw-850i-10/

    Feel free to email me at mccarthy_sean@yahoo.com and I'll pass you my contact info if you'd like to learn more. Oh, here is a thread I started when I first listed my car: https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...ow-live-on-BaT!

    Sean

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    Thanks for Such good information. I really hate to part with this car and I do not wish to go thru the whole selling process so anything to make it easier is appreciated.

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    Try listing it on the classifieds in the sub forum above. Any idea on price? If it was a decent deal I may consider selling some other cars I own to come up with the play money necessary.

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    No idea what would be considered a decent deal so am reluctant to do so until further research

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    BAT is probably not the best way to sell a CSI.
    Talk with Alec Cartio, THAT will get you top $
    '91 Dinan 860 Stage III (new 6L engine)
    '91 Dinan 850 TT stage III (brand new engine) 21st Century Tech meets 18th Century Dinan...
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    ...and a few other non BMW cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoonz View Post
    BAT is probably not the best way to sell a CSI.
    Talk with Alec Cartio, THAT will get you top $
    Sorry but I respectfully disagree. My e31 just garnered a record sales price on BaT for a low mileage non-CSI. I have no affiliation with BaT, but I honestly feel that site accurately reflects the market. If a car is represented well and the seller stays engaged, BaT is a much easier way to sell a specialty car than traditional online methods such as Rennlist, AutoTrader, eBay, etc. I predict if the seller uses those methods she'd be inundated with calls from people who aren't serious buyers or dealers who will try to beat her down on price after they convince her the car isn't worth anything (but they'd gladly do her a "favor" and take it off her hands for $20K). I just spoke with Alec and he told me he has spent countless hours on the phone marketing the purple CSi, but still no buyer. Consequently he's contemplating the BaT route. That's the beauty of BaT, you avoid all that nonsense. 1 week and you are done.

    If you think people who frequent BaT don't know about the special versions of the e31, think again. In the week mine was listed I had nearly 14,000 views and 750 watchers. You paid good money for Carlin's car because there were other bidders who knew BaT is a great place to find rare or special cars. Now I would agree with your original comment if you got Carlin's car for standard e31 money (i.e. $13-15K for automatics with avg miles), but you didn't. The bidders are there. And if they're not, one can always try to sell it the traditional way.

    Sean
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    Thanks guys for recommending me. I appreciate it.

    Hi Ms.
    I’m Alec Cartio (the CSi sales Specialist)
    Please call me or email me at your earliest convenience and I can help you with your CSi sale. I currently have three CSi’s under my agency (I’m not a salesman however; only an E31 owner/purist). Only one is official. The other two are under film and photo development getting ready for going public soon. The purple CSi which Sean mentioned has gained a lot of interest and is currently being shown to several buyers. It has a high pricetag which makes it a little tougher but not impossible to sell. The right buyers are few and far apart out there. BaT is a very good way to go, so are a couple of other trade websites that I have learned about in the past three months.
    This is my info: 818-395 5765
    Email: alec.cartio@cartiologyfilms.com
    I live in southern california.

    BaT, as great as it is, still needs a person with knowledge and patience to sit throught the entire week with answering all comments and questions. Sean was very good at that. That’s where my CSi specialty comes into play... There’s not a single question I cannot answer about the car I’m representing.

    Here’s a sales film I made for a CSi
    https://youtu.be/pNwEfqIBF6U
    Last edited by Alec Cartio; 06-17-2018 at 10:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniff38 View Post
    Sorry but I respectfully disagree. My e31 just garnered a record sales price on BaT for a low mileage non-CSI. I have no affiliation with BaT, but I honestly feel that site accurately reflects the market. If a car is represented well and the seller stays engaged, BaT is a much easier way to sell a specialty car than traditional online methods such as Rennlist, AutoTrader, eBay, etc. I predict if the seller uses those methods she'd be inundated with calls from people who aren't serious buyers or dealers who will try to beat her down on price after they convince her the car isn't worth anything (but they'd gladly do her a "favor" and take it off her hands for $20K). I just spoke with Alec and he told me he has spent countless hours on the phone marketing the purple CSi, but still no buyer. Consequently he's contemplating the BaT route. That's the beauty of BaT, you avoid all that nonsense. 1 week and you are done.

    If you think people who frequent BaT don't know about the special versions of the e31, think again. In the week mine was listed I had nearly 14,000 views and 750 watchers. You paid good money for Carlin's car because there were other bidders who knew BaT is a great place to find rare or special cars. Now I would agree with your original comment if you got Carlin's car for standard e31 money (i.e. $13-15K for automatics with avg miles), but you didn't. The bidders are there. And if they're not, one can always try to sell it the traditional way.

    Sean
    Sean,



    Sean,

    I can understand your enthusiasm for BaT, given your recent success garnering a record price for a relatively low mileage 1992 850i/6.

    However, I would suggest that your record sales price was more likely a result of the low mileage on your car, and the incredible run-up in CSi prices over the last 12 months, as opposed to the sales venue. The extensive service documentation, and the fine job you did of shepherding the sale, certainly certainly helped as well, but I have to believe far and away the most important variable was the low mileage of 37,000 miles on your example.

    Recall that only 847 of the 850i/Ci's imported into North America had 6 speeds (out of a total of 4,194), making good examples extremely attractive as compared to a similarily "low mileage" CSi, which would likely cost 2-2.5x, maybe even 3x, the $43,510 your example brought.

    CD00107, the CSi in question, had 128,843 miles as of January 24, according to CarFax. Given that all of the CSi sales of which I am aware in the last couple of years have had 30-80K miles on the clock, in will be interesting to see how this example does.

    I would not go the BaT route unless you have someone available to "mastermind" the process and frequently be online to answer questions from interested parties. I would also strongly recommend speaking with Alec, who probably has the most knowledge of recent transactions of anyone around, and is just a terrific guy.

    While I'm just another opinionated BimmerForum member, by way of bonafides, I have been collecting cars for 20+ years, a variety of BMWs for the last 15...and while I have a pretty good idea of the value of my '94 CSi with 72,000 miles, I have no idea of the value of my '93 850Ci/6 with 156,000 miles, although I'm reasonably certain it is less than your 37,000 mile '92.

    Carbjedi, I hope this is less than totally confusing, and good luck with your sale!
    SteveCT
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveCT View Post
    I have no idea of the value of my '93 850Ci/6 with 156,000 miles, although I'm reasonably certain it is less than your 37,000 mile '92.
    During my 13yrs of E31 ownership in California I've only seen 2 '93-6spd a few '91 6spd's but way more CSi's. I like your stable.
    1993 850Ci.....18 years & 165,000 miles and counting!

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    Thanks, Ted!
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    You make some valid points Steve. However I still contend BaT is a great place to sell a car when you don't have a lot of data to determine its true value. In the end the market decides the value. And it's not like you risk giving it away on BaT. If they won't agree to your reserve, don't list it with them. And if you list it and the reserve isn't met, you keep the car and sell it using another venue.

    Again I go back to George Carlin's E31 which sold on BaT recently. Before listing it, I'm sure his daughter had trouble coming up with a fair asking price for a 79K-mile '96 850ci automatic. What's the appropriate premium to add because one of the world's greatest comedians sat in the seat? In the end the market spoke and it was $32K . . . strong money for a car with those specs but fair given its provenance. I believe BaT was the right venue for that car. The same problem exists for Carbjedi's CSi. There aren't many recent sales of high mileage CSi's, but we all know the car is special and should fetch good money. So how do you fairly price a single owner, California-all-its-life, all original documentation CSi (pros) that was daily driven with 130K miles that hasn't had much activity in the last 8 years (cons to a collector)? I guess the closest comp would be Taylor Patterson's CSi which had around 140K miles when he sold it. Anyone know what he got for it? I know he was meticulous about his car and it was in pristine condition despite the mileage, so is it a fair comparison? Not sure.

    In the end I think this discussion about BaT is probably moot, but it is something to keep in mind for those considering selling their e31. I spoke with Carbjedi again today and recommended she give Alec a crack at representing the car for her because simplicity is something she seeks. Alec knows CSi's better than anyone and if he decides to list it on BaT for her, then it will be him defending the car and answering the questions rather than her. She's also realistic about her price so I foresee a sale in her future that I think she'll be very pleased with. Good luck!

    Sean

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    I think Taylor’s car went in the 60s. Also has some level of fame with the petrolicious video.. even with the mileage it was clean..

    My 91 850i/6 has 87k at the moment, I wonder where I stand. I’m the 2nd, last guy (who will remain nameless) had a dozen or so platinum records on his wall, and I have the bill of sale, copy of the check yadda yadda.


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    I would like to tip my hat to carbjedi's late husband. I appreciate the collectors and admire the drivers. Over 100k in a CSi - that was a great ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniff38 View Post
    You make some valid points Steve. However I still contend BaT is a great place to sell a car when you don't have a lot of data to determine its true value. In the end the market decides the value. And it's not like you risk giving it away on BaT. If they won't agree to your reserve, don't list it with them. And if you list it and the reserve isn't met, you keep the car and sell it using another venue.

    Again I go back to George Carlin's E31 which sold on BaT recently. Before listing it, I'm sure his daughter had trouble coming up with a fair asking price for a 79K-mile '96 850ci automatic. What's the appropriate premium to add because one of the world's greatest comedians sat in the seat? In the end the market spoke and it was $32K . . . strong money for a car with those specs but fair given its provenance. I believe BaT was the right venue for that car. The same problem exists for Carbjedi's CSi. There aren't many recent sales of high mileage CSi's, but we all know the car is special and should fetch good money. So how do you fairly price a single owner, California-all-its-life, all original documentation CSi (pros) that was daily driven with 130K miles that hasn't had much activity in the last 8 years (cons to a collector)? I guess the closest comp would be Taylor Patterson's CSi which had around 140K miles when he sold it. Anyone know what he got for it? I know he was meticulous about his car and it was in pristine condition despite the mileage, so is it a fair comparison? Not sure.

    In the end I think this discussion about BaT is probably moot, but it is something to keep in mind for those considering selling their e31. I spoke with Carbjedi again today and recommended she give Alec a crack at representing the car for her because simplicity is something she seeks. Alec knows CSi's better than anyone and if he decides to list it on BaT for her, then it will be him defending the car and answering the questions rather than her. She's also realistic about her price so I foresee a sale in her future that I think she'll be very pleased with. Good luck!

    Sean
    Sean, the point is that the CSi prices are rising faster than a teenager in a strip club. But they are, like it or not, a completely different animal than the rest of the E31's and the folks paying the $100k+ prices are a different breed of cat...

    Since you brought up the "Carlin car", here's the skinny on that one... as a sub 80k mile 96 Ci, in literally next to perfect condition, it was worth well into the $20's anyway. Add to that a $3-4k premium just for the license plates and you don't have that much more to go before you hit $32k. Kelly gave that particular auction probably more media attention than any BAT auction in history too, the runners up both signed on just to bid on that car - they were not E31 seasoned or BAT veterans. Frankly, I was surprised that it only went as high as it did, but extremely happy about it too - as it is in my garage.

    There's a graph of all sales for E31's on BAT. Your car, and mine to a lesser extent, are outliers on that graph. While the price point of well cared for examples are on the rise, the 6sp manual cars are a distant 3rd behind the Alpinas, which are followed by the CSi's. The Alpinas are like the Holy Grail at this point, but the CSi's are coveted around the globe. US cars tend to be in much better condition that those in Europe, due to the harsher environment over there - so we get the collectors looking across the pond as well. To think that a BAT auction on a CSi isn't going to leave cash on the table is shortsighted, at best.

    Don't get me wrong, I've got a 91 6sp with 140k miles on it that is actually in far better condition than your car was - and it may well go on BAT sometime soon. But, it is a crap shoot nonetheless. It takes at least two people to take the bidding into the upper regions. You got lucky. So did I, when "IronBallsMcGinty" emptied out early

    Anyway, there's a reason you don't see many of the "upper echelon" collector vehicles on BAT, and the CSi is attaining that status. There's a far better chance Alec has a buyer up his sleeve than random BAT users, that's a fact.
    Last edited by cartoonz; 06-18-2018 at 11:59 PM.
    '91 Dinan 860 Stage III (new 6L engine)
    '91 Dinan 850 TT stage III (brand new engine) 21st Century Tech meets 18th Century Dinan...
    '91 850i 6sp (mint) (sold)
    '90 Dinan 750iL TT stage III (Guido - The Beast)
    '94 850 CSi The Detroit Auto Show car (restored to factory perfect) (sold)
    '96 850Ci, The George Carlin car
    ''73 3.0 csi, '08 535i, '03 X5 4.6is
    ...and a few other non BMW cars

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    To NashToms post I like to say that over the years my husband had 2 jags (XKE and 12 cyl coupe) a corvette, 3 porsches including a rare 930 factory slant nose, alpha Romeo and a 308 GTB quatrovalve ferarri before the CSI. He was not a collector just loved semi exotic cars and enjoyed driving them as his main car. He always bought them new or close to and usually drove them 3-4 years then grew tired of them and moved on. That all changed when he got our CSI, our first Bmw. He thought it was the finest car of them all and loved and drove it from 1994 til 2010. The reason why I held onto it after he died was because he loved it so much. I can appreciate the collectors but sadly for them, they do not get the pleasure of driving their wonderful cars like that every day. (Wouldn’t want to drive any those cars, tho, in stop and go commute traffic.That would be a waste) We were fortunate to live in a smaller city with no traffic issues and an open 8 mile highway stretch where he could open it up and have some fun on his daily commute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoonz View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I've got a 91 6sp with 140k miles on it that is actually in far better condition than your car was - and it may well go on BAT sometime soon.
    We'll just have to agree to disagree Cartoonz, fair enough? But to be honest your comment above bugs me a bit. How can you say with a straight face that your car with 3.5 times the mileage is "in far better condition" than mine given you never even saw or drove my car? A bit of a stretch don't you think?

    That said, Yes, Carlin's daughter was very engaged with her BaT listing ... and so was I. I wouldn't say I was lucky. I put a lot of work into preparing the car for sale and spent a lot of time on the listing. If you review my first post you will see that I said sellers who stay involved are generally rewarded. And that's the key with BaT -- ENGAGEMENT. In fact the buyer of my car said that's the reason he stepped up to the plate for my car. He was comfortable paying that price sight unseen because I was completely transparent. And after he got the car he was beyond thrilled and said it was much nicer than he expected. If you plan to list on BaT and want to be lazy, expect lackluster results.

    I'll add that BaT's sales model is one of the best ways to advertise your car to sight unseen buyers. You can link videos, upload hundreds of photos, engage in back-and-forth discussion, etc. And when you engage in discussion you only have to say it once because your comments are stored forever for all to see. I sold my 911 using Rennlist classifieds several years ago and I must have had the same hour-long discussion with 20 different people interested in my car. It was absolutely exhausting because I had to repeat the same stuff over and over. BaT is a great alternative for buyers who don't have the time or want to spend the money to go look at a car in person. I can also say as a seller it was a much more pleasurable experience than the traditional methods I used in the past.
    Last edited by Sniff38; 06-19-2018 at 08:38 AM.

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    Carbjedi-excellent list of cars. A driven car let's you know how much the owner had enjoyed the car. I am restoring a one owner 125k mile 840. The previous owner obviously enjoyed this one too. There is just something about higher mileage cars that were not abused that makes them fun. Maybe it's just that they are not perfect so no fear of giving them their first blemish.
    I mean no insult to those with the lower mileage collectors cars. I had an '87 Buick Grand National from new and kept it in collectable condition until someone stole it for a joy ride and burned to the ground. When I bought my second one I decided I would use the heck out it. Taught many people how to do burnouts and even had others drive their first dragstrip with it. Over 200k miles of great fun and friendships.

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