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    Yeah. Regular mode becomes sport mode. Sport mode only has manual. It's more aggressive shifting parameters, though. However, if you're in manual mode (sport) with the new tune and you forget to shift and get up near the red line, there is an argument between the EGS and the DME and the engine sort of hangs there for 2+ seconds before the argument gets resolved and the shift happens. Everything works fine in sport (normal) mode with the new tune. I don't see any advantage myself.

    I have an EGS with the tune on it. I bought a used one and downloaded the tune to it with WINKFP. I found that the drive was a lot of fun but I didn't like giving up "old fart" mode (regular), nor did I like the argument between DME and EGS in sport mode (manual with the new tune). ]

    However DUDMD apparently has a DME tune that increases the rev limit there which is supposed to resolve the argument-at-red-line in new sport mode. However, you'd have to speak with him and others who have had this done to see if the issue is resolved.
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    There's no "conflict" at all, if you don't have the matching Alpina DME tune then the manual mode acts sort of like a true manual (holding whatever gear you selected) but eventually shifts. I don't see the point of having a manual program where the EGS thinks it knows better than you, unless, well, you're dumber than the EGS
    I wouldn't recommend this tranny tune if you don't have the Alpina DME tune. Matching both tunes have the following benefits/downsides
    Pros:
    -Manual mode shifts quicker and crisper up and down. Snappiest shifting time compared to any other tranny tune out there (yes, I tried them all)
    -Regular mode makes way better use of the lockup converter
    -Car feels like an old cable throttle/cable kickdown arrangements, responds in a more predictable way, you can "operate" things with your right foot analog input, like pressure and speed. It will follow your prediction once you learned how fast/deep a plunge will make the EGS/DME do what
    Cons: (All comparing the Alpina EGS tune to Dinan Stage II EGS tune)
    -Increased fuel consumption
    -Not a true manual mode like Dinan stage III
    -You don't have a "neck snapping" sports program like Dinan stage III
    -Normal drive mode doesn't upshifts as responsively as Dinan stage III


    Bottomline, I wouldn't recommend this flash with a OE DME tune. I would only recommend it paired with the matching Alpina DME tune. If you have those 2, you won't miss the Sports mode at all. If you're on a budget and don't want to mod/upgrade DME tune, I recommend the Dinan Stage III, although it has a true manual mode (It will stay in the selected gear and not upshift)
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    Can the alpina tune be done to the 4.4? Isnt the true Alpina motor a 4.8 like the z4 has or is the Alpina e39 a 4.6 like the X5 4.6is? Either way can it be done to the 4.4? Will I need to get a dinan style throttle body (N62 TB) and a 4 inch MAF housing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplecty View Post
    Can the alpina tune be done to the 4.4? Isnt the true Alpina motor a 4.8 like the z4 has or is the Alpina e39 a 4.6 like the X5 4.6is? Either way can it be done to the 4.4? Will I need to get a dinan style throttle body (N62 TB) and a 4 inch MAF housing?
    I have it on a regular M62TU with a big runners manifold. It makes a hell of a difference. The tune is from a 2000 4.6 B10V8 (I'm the one that got it) The use it makes of vanos and the maps are just beautiful. The only way in which your engine could pull more if with dedicated dyno/tuning sessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jicaino View Post

    I have it on a regular M62TU with a big runners manifold. It makes a hell of a difference. The tune is from a 2000 4.6 B10V8 (I'm the one that got it) The use it makes of vanos and the maps are just beautiful. The only way in which your engine could pull more if with dedicated dyno/tuning sessions.

    Ask Dima (DUDMD) he's a very friendly guy, super reasonable priced and zero tuner BS.
    So you have an Alpina B10 DME tune with the EGS tune as well or just a stock M62tu DME using an M60 manifold with the alpina EGS tune?
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    I have a M60 manifold (velocity stacks version) and the Alpina DME tune. EGS wise, I first got a Dinan Stage III flashed ECU out of a 7 series (asked Dinan directly about VIN and equipment level) and then got itchy to try the Alpina EGS. I'd have a hard time picking between them, I *think* I like the Dinan one better. I'm trying to get Dima to make me a custom EGS tune mixing both tunes features, but there's little interest for a tuner in making a one-off custom, and the market for a good auto trans tune is not huge.

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    Oh, and viscofan delete... that's really noticeable too in terms of engine response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jicaino View Post
    I have a M60 manifold (velocity stacks version) and the Alpina DME tune. EGS wise, I first got a Dinan Stage III flashed ECU out of a 7 series (asked Dinan directly about VIN and equipment level) and then got itchy to try the Alpina EGS. I'd have a hard time picking between them, I *think* I like the Dinan one better. I'm trying to get Dima to make me a custom EGS tune mixing both tunes features, but there's little interest for a tuner in making a one-off custom, and the market for a good auto trans tune is not huge.

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    Oh, and viscofan delete... that's really noticeable too in terms of engine response.
    Is there an Alpina DME ZB number or is it custom similar to the EGS tune?
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    It's custom. 75606366

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    Label number on the original Alpina labeled ECU, that is, I don't have the car with me now so I cannot verify with INPA but that's the original label number. I had Dima cloning that DME and virginizing the new one. I wanted to virginize it but since I purchased the whole locks/keys set he advised me to keep it unmolested and clone it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jicaino View Post
    It's custom. 75606366

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    Label number on the original Alpina labeled ECU, that is, I don't have the car with me now so I cannot verify with INPA but that's the original label number. I had Dima cloning that DME and virginizing the new one. I wanted to virginize it but since I purchased the whole locks/keys set he advised me to keep it unmolested and clone it.
    Just so I understand correctly you're running a modified version of ZB 75606366? I cant just flash this number to my E38 DME?
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplecty View Post
    Just so I understand correctly you're running a modified version of ZB 75606366? I cant just flash this number to my E38 DME?
    I wouldn't flash just about any ZB on any DME. There's minor variances in HW that could soft brick your DME and you'll be out of options but ship it and hope it can be brought back to life.
    The maps and variables can be copied and cloned into your DME's specific most-up-to-date flash file after it has been updated.
    I think that Dima (DUDMD) can flash your DME remotely. You need a laptop, teamviewer and a galletto 1260 cable.
    I didn't keep the full eeprom at hand because you just can't write it over your DME, there's considerations such as VIN, EWS matching and rolling codes, and HW iterations. As a matter of fact one of the DME that we intended to rewrite had to be shipped because it refused to work after the flash.
    I'd recommend buying a cheapo spare DME with no matching keys or EWS (they can be had cheap when they don't have that) and send it away. Dima can then update the DME to the latest release for that HW, virginize the EWS so you can sync it to your car without having to worry about EWS and locks/keys replacement and clone the Alpina DME maps and parameters.

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    I see so its not a stock DME ZUSB flash it must be loaded using modofied files...
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    I don't recall if the stock flashes numbers are exactly the same as the modded ones. Most likely they used that as a baseline to write their stuff over (BMW ships assembled, working cars to Alpina, and then they do their stuff), but here's the thing: you can write portions of that leaving other chunks intact. If you write a complete flash (512 kb) you need to be 100% sure it's going to work with that DME board. They all have some differences and I guess on top of that, there's like BIOS differences (you know, when you upgrade your BIOS flash for added funtionality over the same hardware, on a computer or other electronic device)
    I'm not an electronics expert, BTW, but I'm sure you noticed that.
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    I just did this TCU tune and my redline in Drive is 6100rpm still. In Manual it is 6800rpm and that's not good because it just wants to max out each gear for a up shift for best acceleration and eat rpms for no reason. I would like for it to redline in "Drive" do you guys have this issue also? My ECU tune redline is 7000rpm for a good buffer zone between the ECU and TCU.
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    Can this DME amd EGS flash be used on a stock 4.6is x5?
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplecty View Post
    Can this DME amd EGS flash be used on a stock 4.6is x5?
    IDK, I'd guess that AWD transmissions have a different "tune" than RWD versions?
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    I have a 07/1996, so I have the 5HP30. Was there any "performance" mod of this Gearbox?

    I have increased rev limit in the DME, so this would be perfect!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jicaino View Post

    IDK, I'd guess that AWD transmissions have a different "tune" than RWD versions?
    https://www.tuningdb.info/alpina_b8s_flashes

    This one lists e53...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplecty View Post
    both DME and EGS flashes should be 100% compatible with M62TU/5HP24 combos, provided that the AWD doesn't alter the dialogue between DME and EGS. I don't know the first thing about AWD cars that has this level of electronic control units.
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    And again the alpina DME ZB number is 75606366?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jicaino View Post
    both DME and EGS flashes should be 100% compatible with M62TU/5HP24 combos, provided that the AWD doesn't alter the dialogue between DME and EGS. I don't know the first thing about AWD cars that has this level of electronic control units.
    It will throw other codes for different emissions equipment that the 4.6is has and an e38 doesnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplecty View Post
    And again the alpina DME ZB number is 75606366?
    I would just recommend our performance tune to run this engine as optimal as possible and proper rev limiter adjustment to not intervene with the new shifting points.
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    Purplecty, you've heard from "the man". I didn't think it would be a match but I was thinking AWD vs. RWD never realizing it had different emissions setups.

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