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Thread: The Z3 Diagnostics Thread: Instructions, Experiences, Discussions, Experimentation

  1. #476
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    Ok. I'm a bit weary from reading but I'm certain I'm in the right place.

    Here's what I have:

    1998 (4/98) 318ti manual with a 1999 M Roadster motor, harness and DME. DME has Dinan stage 1 software installed and secondary air written out by Nick G. It's been working ok since 2001 that way, but I have a recurring error I beleive is related to the ASC system- the secondary throttle has been removed and the dealer that got my swap running removed the secondary throttle TPS. The actuator for the secondary throttle is connected but the cable wa removed. (Removing the motor itself causes an ABS light) Cluster is a (was back then) new '98 M3 cluster with a ('96 I think) coding plug in it because the dealer could not access the Combi to code the blank plug that was in it. I have the red dot.

    Because of the differences,I picked up an M3 harness and DME (1999 model I think) that will be swapped in. I may b doing additional engine work as well.

    Here's what I want:

    Panasonic tough book with:
    Ability to communicate with DME, Airbag, ASC, and COMBI. Ability to download the Dinan stage 1 map in the Roadster DME to use as a base for further refinement and upload into the M3 DME. I need to fix the red dot, align the M3 DME with the car, align the Combi with the car. I also may need to use the earlier antilock brake module and remove ASC from the DME. Secondary air needs to remain gone but in keeping all lambda sensors.

    I'm looking at a CF-52 tough book used now and seller says it has a serial port although I don't see it in the photos. I asked for verification. It has no hard drive (solid state) or OS so it can be tailored perfectly.

    Should I move on this, knowing my goals, or would something else be a better base machine? I have a serial cable interface but am unsure it can handle all I hope to accomplish. The dealer cable system, although more expensive might be the smart money... I need reliability and will spend a bit more to ensure I never "brick" a module or DME while messing about (unless it's my own dumbassedness).

    Thank you thank you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiMASTER View Post
    Ok. I'm a bit weary from reading but I'm certain I'm in the right place.

    Here's what I have:

    1998 (4/98) 318ti manual with a 1999 M Roadster motor, harness and DME. DME has Dinan stage 1 software installed and secondary air written out by Nick G. It's been working ok since 2001 that way, but I have a recurring error I beleive is related to the ASC system- the secondary throttle has been removed and the dealer that got my swap running removed the secondary throttle TPS. The actuator for the secondary throttle is connected but the cable wa removed. (Removing the motor itself causes an ABS light) Cluster is a (was back then) new '98 M3 cluster with a ('96 I think) coding plug in it because the dealer could not access the Combi to code the blank plug that was in it. I have the red dot.

    Because of the differences,I picked up an M3 harness and DME (1999 model I think) that will be swapped in. I may b doing additional engine work as well.

    Here's what I want:

    Panasonic tough book with:
    Ability to communicate with DME, Airbag, ASC, and COMBI. Ability to download the Dinan stage 1 map in the Roadster DME to use as a base for further refinement and upload into the M3 DME. I need to fix the red dot, align the M3 DME with the car, align the Combi with the car. I also may need to use the earlier antilock brake module and remove ASC from the DME. Secondary air needs to remain gone but in keeping all lambda sensors.

    I'm looking at a CF-52 tough book used now and seller says it has a serial port although I don't see it in the photos. I asked for verification. It has no hard drive (solid state) or OS so it can be tailored perfectly.

    Should I move on this, knowing my goals, or would something else be a better base machine? I have a serial cable interface but am unsure it can handle all I hope to accomplish. The dealer cable system, although more expensive might be the smart money... I need reliability and will spend a bit more to ensure I never "brick" a module or DME while messing about (unless it's my own dumbassedness).

    Thank you thank you!!
    You are on the right track. A toughbook with a serial port WILL work just fine for TinyADS usage to reach ASC, and maybe kombi. (keep in mind, early KOMBI will not be able to be edited because of the way the L-line / coding plug worked on those.) My 1996 328is cluster, I could not read with TinyADS nor genuine BMW dealer ICOM. Early clusters are weird.
    The rest of the modules can be reached with USB-OBD cable.

    You do not need a second DME, but it doesn't hurt to have a spare. It's easy to change, edit, and clone these DMEs, without issue. It will help you to have one of the USB-OBD cables with 20-pin adapter listed in post 1 as well, for editing the DME... in addition to TinyADS.

    The ASC throttle is best taken care of with a 10ohm 1watt resistor across the ASC throttle motor plug wires. You will not be able to code it out.

    Send me a PM with your email, or number for text message, and we can talk. You've got a lot planned, and it's not a simple one email solution.
    Last edited by 328 Power 04; 04-17-2017 at 10:34 AM.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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    I don't know if the question has been asked in this thread...... Why doesn't [or is it possible] for someone to create a Windows / Android / Apple app that can be more user friendly [read better interface] than INPA? I bet most of us would buy it right?

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    Because E36s are old and no one really cares for them anymore. Painful truth. The rest that do, use INPA and associated applications. Others don't use diagnostics, and just throw parts at it until 'fixed'.

    It's not the "prettiest" but it is the most powerful (because it's a BMW product).



    For newer cars, there's Carly for BMW app for Android and iPhone.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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    Quote Originally Posted by 328 Power 04 View Post
    You are on the right track. A toughbook with a serial port WILL work just fine for TinyADS usage to reach ASC, and maybe kombi. (keep in mind, early KOMBI will not be able to be edited because of the way the L-line / coding plug worked on those.) My 1996 328is cluster, I could not read with TinyADS nor genuine BMW dealer ICOM. Early clusters are weird.
    The rest of the modules can be reached with USB-OBD cable.

    You do not need a second DME, but it doesn't hurt to have a spare. It's easy to change, edit, and clone these DMEs, without issue. It will help you to have one of the USB-OBD cables with 20-pin adapter listed in post 1 as well, for editing the DME... in addition to TinyADS.

    The ASC throttle is best taken care of with a 10ohm 1watt resistor across the ASC throttle motor plug wires. You will not be able to code it out.

    Send me a PM with your email, or number for text message, and we can talk. You've got a lot planned, and it's not a simple one email solution.
    Thank you! Pm with details inbound...

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    I just received confirmation the laptop I'm interested in has a serial port.

    Now to track down a solid state drive and power source...

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    Ready to buy-

    I found one all loaded with win7... is that an acceptable OS? I can't remember from the 20 pages I read...

    It ends up cheaper than the empty one + battery + power supply +HD +OS.

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    Win7 (non 64-bit, so x86) is perfect for ADS use, as well as everything else.

    I will reply to other questions, and give you ideas in email.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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    Great to see so much knowledge being shared in here.

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    Yes- Abel is a wealth of knowledge and we are all very lucky to have him here!

    He's been working closely with me to get my "new" diagnostic rig up and running. I would not have known where to begin with out his help.

    A big, huge THANK YOU to Abel!

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    I have 2000 BMW Z3. Can read engine info using MS42 Script. When I try to read body information I only get error code 0009. Trying to clear air bag light, on th 20 pin connector. Using INPA on Dell computer with Windows 7 64bit Professional. Any suggestions as to what I need to do to get body info to connect. I have checked the error code suggestions, and appear to be set up correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shet View Post
    I have 2000 BMW Z3. Can read engine info using MS42 Script. When I try to read body information I only get error code 0009. Trying to clear air bag light, on th 20 pin connector. Using INPA on Dell computer with Windows 7 64bit Professional. Any suggestions as to what I need to do to get body info to connect. I have checked the error code suggestions, and appear to be set up correctly.
    Does another module, such as the "DSC e46" on your car connect at the 20-pin? (as a test of 20-pin port function)

    If DSC works, you may have a dead airbag module, or burned airbag module fuse.




    FYI, you should also have the interior OBD2 cap in place, when diagnosing at the 20-pin port.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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    Hello,

    I want to code out a brakes wear light in R50 Mini. Is there any way to do this using INPA or NCS Expert? I was changing brakes in my girfriends Mini but I don't want to buy new sensors.

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    I can't seem to get the program working with a 2001 e46... any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueballs View Post
    I can't seem to get the program working with a 2001 e46... any ideas?
    I'd need way more detail than that.


    E46 will need pins 7&8 of the USB OBD cable bridged.
    Also the most common problem is that your COM port numbers are not matching. See the "Connections Troubleshoot" pdf file.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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    Quote Originally Posted by 328 Power 04 View Post
    I'd need way more detail than that.


    E46 will need pins 7&8 of the USB OBD cable bridged.
    Also the most common problem is that your COM port numbers are not matching. See the "Connections Troubleshoot" pdf file.
    hot damn I thought I didn't need to solder the pins, that explain why it doesn't work... thanks

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    Even with the pins unsoldered you should be able to access the DME. Pin7 is DME and EGS, pin 8 is everything else.


    /.randy

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    Connection with BMW 2002/2003

    Hi,
    I tried to use INPA for check and erase fault code on X5 E53 2002 and X3 E83 2003, but soft didn't recognize this cars.
    Any advice how to solve this problem. I use K-DCAN cable from one-stop-electronics.
    Any advice how to establish connection, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ysi View Post
    Hi,
    I tried to use INPA for check and erase fault code on X5 E53 2002 and X3 E83 2003, but soft didn't recognize this cars.
    Any advice how to solve this problem. I use K-DCAN cable from one-stop-electronics.
    Any advice how to establish connection, please?
    I assume you checked COM port numbers in the OBD.ini and Device Manager...

    Pins 7&8 must be bridged for the two cars listed above.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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    Wow !! Great HELPFUL stuff !!! I finally can get my wife's " CAR" z3 to go down the road without tape over the idiot lights. And also have been troubleshooting and replacing only what is really wrong. Can not thank 328 Power 04 for all of his Expert work !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 328 Power 04 View Post
    Does another module, such as the "DSC e46" on your car connect at the 20-pin? (as a test of 20-pin port function)

    If DSC works, you may have a dead airbag module, or burned airbag module fuse.




    FYI, you should also have the interior OBD2 cap in place, when diagnosing at the 20-pin port.
    Thanks for the info. I have been out of town, grandson HS graduation and granddaughter college graduation. Now important stuff. Checked the DSC e46. Reads fine and have three errors there that I need to work on. Checked fuses to the airbag module. Both are good. I now assume from the reading I am getting that I must either have a bad module . Where is Airbag module located and is there any thing special about it, model #, year, or programing that needs to be done with a different, "new" module? Note: My air bag lite just glows very dimly when normal driving. It does light up brightly when turning on key before starting the engine. Does this mean any thing to any one. Again thanks for info. I really appreciate the info.

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    Airbag module dead sounds very likely, or wiring to it.
    It's mounted on the transmission tunnel under the center console, kinda right under/behind AC controls.
    It can be accessed with removing either glovebox or driver's kick panel, but it's tight.

    It would have to be replaced with a Z3 module only from the same year/build range, because there are at least 3 different systems used in Z3. Oh and plugging in a wrong one can damage that module.

    Use realoem.com with your vin number to find the correct module part numbers. For a 2000 Z3, any Z3/Z3M airbag module from Z3 04/1999 to 07/2001 should be the same. You most likely have part number 65778386192 in there.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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    There is a thread in the Z4 forum... the question is about coding a steering angle sensor to a car, and I suggested that the OP contact and see if INPA or related software in your bundle could do such. ... had another user very emphatically state that what you had wouldn't do such... care to shine some light on the topic?

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    Which chassis Z4?

    To code a steering angle sensor on cars like e46, you just code the DSC module with "sg_codieren" job in NCSExpert, and it will do the steering angle sensor coding automatically as part of the routine.

    My pack will definitely do that, they may be getting hung up on the inpa menu not containing E85 as an option. I ran out of button options, but it can be added.


    I will try to see if I can find this thread.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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    Now.. calibration may have to be done with Tool32 if the Z4 INPA menus don't have that option.
    -Abel

    - E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
    - 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
    - 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
    - 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
    - 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
    - 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
    - 2016 Mini Cooper S

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