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I'm trying to read GM4 (ZKE4) module on 2000 Z3 but it's not working with INPA or ISTA. The module is working and I can read it with CarSoft and the corresponding serial cable.
Does this module require an ADS interface?
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Why did you find it hard to believe that the ZKE needs L-line?Originally Posted by 328 Power 04
I have pin 15 populated in my 20-pin socket, which corresponds with the wiring diagram. ZKE isn't replying solely on the K-line so I can assume I need a RS232 port to communicate to the ZKE?
Also, would a setup like this work: 20-pin to 16-pin connector from the car, 16-pin to DB9 RS232 to a native RS232 port on a laptop with INPA?
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No! You would need an ADS adapter. RS232 is 5v and applying 12v to your PC will not end well.
Lookup Free ADS or they sell a more traditional one on Amazon or Aliexpress for $75. There's also the TinyADS and the classic Fister ADS if you want to explore other designs.
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Ah that makes sense haha. Thanks for the info. I’ll go search for a laptop with RS-232.
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From my 16553 hacking days, the RS232 standard specifies negative 3-15 and positive 3-15 volt as valid signals, with anything outside of those ranges being invalid noise. Further it is specified that the equipment must be tolerant of 25V spikes in either direction. The problem isn't the computer. the DME can't make a valid RS232 signal. Thus the ADS interface between TTL and rs232 is required.
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Learned lots so far diving into this topic.
I recall seeing this vendor mentioned on this forum. I've read TinyADS is out of business so I take it that this is the best option nowadays.
BMW INPA / Ediabas OBD & ADS Interface - www.one-stop-electronics.com
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This thread has really lived for a long time. Thanks to 328Power for putting this all together and for answering so many questions over so many years....Just resurrected an old Windows 10 laptop and installed INPA. I got the same errors as post 795 Page 32). ForceFifoEnable failed and RxFIFO failed etc. during the terminal window right at the end of the install. The answer was to run the Registry file. Im pretty sure i followed the instructions to the T, and i don't see a "registry" file in the bundle i unzipped. Can someone please point me in the right direction as to the name of this registry file. Thanks...
Last edited by Hogg; 11-16-2023 at 05:05 PM.
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OK i figured this out - the file is called serial port.reg and is the very last instruction in the pdf file, AFTER you run the LoadData.exe file - where i saw the errors. Once i ran the "serial Port" file and then ran the LoadData file again all the errors disappeared. So my only suggestion is to have the running of the serial file come BEFORE the running of the LoadData file so that there are no errors.
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Hi Abel,I have uploaded a complete INPA pack that works with ADS here
It is a little more complicated of an install and configuration, compared to the newer pack. I have described below to the best of my memory how to get it to connect. I think this works best with 32-bit Windows (x86).
I compressed it to .7z to keep size down. Uncompress and:
To install you go to \Referenz\INSTALL\ folder, and open Instprog901.exe with Windows XP (Service Pack 3) compatibility and As Administrator.
Choose English and Continue through, choose your C: drive. Then choose BMW Group Rectification Programs USA.
Continue on and choose Complete for the following:
-EDIABAS 6.4.3
-INPA 4.4.7
-NCSExpert 3.0.8
-NFS WinKFP 4.2
After choosing Continue, in the next menu "Please select the interface" choose ADS.
Continue with installation.
After installation go to C:\EDIABAS\Hardware\ADS\ADS32\ folder and run ADSSETUP.EXE with XP Compatibility and As Administrator. This installs the ADS drivers. (This might have been ran at the end of the installation above automatically, but it doesn't hurt to run again.) Restart computer.
Next go to the C:\EDIABAS\BIN\ and check both EDIABAS.INI and OBD.INI. Configure them as I have them in these screenshots:
Attachment 559692Attachment 559693
Hopefully after all this, it should connect to INPA, and you should get the black dots to come up in INPA when you run it. If I remember correctly, you run Inpa from the INPA.IPO shortcut.
If you get a weird error in German, like in the 2nd post of this thread, your ADS is still not set up properly, and the fun begins.
Do you happen to still have this pack? I have the hardware side all set-up now but I struggle to find the older versions of INPA and the link you provided there doesn't seem to work anymore.
Last edited by Zjoyer; 11-18-2023 at 04:41 AM.
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I would like to be able to run diagnostics on my 2000 Z3,2020 X3, and 2017 X1. I prefer using a standalone unit rather than INPA running in an old laptop. Seems like the Foxwell NT530 would cover everything but there are a lot of problems reported. I also see Launch Creader Elite and Bimmerlink which is a phone app. Can I use these on the Z3? Sounds like I might have to get a 20 pin to OBD adapter or bridge the pins in the 20 pin connector. Anybody have experience with these apps, good or bad? Search doesn't show anything.
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One of the best INPA installations I have seen. Good work.
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Can we have this thread as a sticky?
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Any chance that the upload from post #170 by 328 Power 04 can be re-uploaded? Then link dosnt work no more.
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Can this please be re-uploaded somehow? The link is not active any more. :-)
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The 6.4.7 version is on there but Google seems to think that some of the installation .bat files involved are suspicious, so they flag it as risky. I'm not sure how to bypass that.
"This file looks suspicious. It is visible only to the owner."
Last edited by 328 Power 04; 03-18-2024 at 11:10 AM.
-Abel
- E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
- 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
- 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
- 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
- 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
- 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
- 2016 Mini Cooper S
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Suggestion: change the .bat extensions to .txt and put a note to change them back to .bat after downloading.
Claude Berman, 96 Z3 Production Date 2/96 BMW CCA# 581686
The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance. Socrates, 469–399 B.C.E
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Hmm do you mind sending it over email or a dropbox link etc.?
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It's a lot more complex than that. Google looks through all the files no matter what they're called and tries to match them against anything they consider malicious code and then make the decision based on percent match.
This is an original file from BMW engineering waaay back in the day, so I'm not touching the contents.
- - - Updated - - -
Send me your email and I'll see what I can do.
-Abel
- E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
- 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
- 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
- 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
- 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
- 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
- 2016 Mini Cooper S
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You got a PM! Thanks!
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Able - we are installing the INPA 2016, and when we tried to install the Standard_Tools_Setup_2.12.exe, we got an error because my laptop is Windows 10, but it seems that this program is meant for XP. Do you know if there's a version of this file that is compatible with Windows 10, or what would you recommend? We are on Part 2: Main Program Installation of the INPA 2016 installation instructions..
Thanks
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I have the same issue. 'interested in the answer.
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I have been using INPA/ISTA on Windows 10 for a couple years - I don't know of your distribution - but it is probably not the issue - if you post some more specifics on were your install has issues - we might be able to help better.
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Follow the instructions a bit more carefully, it's mentioned in there.
You must set compatibility.
-Abel
- E36 328is ~210-220whp: Lots of Mods.
- 2000 Z3: Many Mods.
- 2003 VW Jetta TDI Manual 47-50mpg
- 1999 S52 Estoril M Coupe
- 2014 328d Wagon, self-tuned, 270hp/430ft-lbs
- 2019 M2 Competition, self-tuned, 504whp
- 2016 Mini Cooper S
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Ok thanks, it's my daughter setting it up for me on a laptop they got me for Christmas.
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