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    I’m starting/well into V1.2 of this project after not really working on the car for a couple years. I have put about 25k miles on the setup which has been more or less trouble free, but it needs some love for sure, and I have a daily now so I have no excuses not to crack into it. The main goals for this time around are as follows:

    -Rebuild the turbo (done)
    -Fix a nasty boost leak at the intake manifold (done)
    -Replace ignition coils (done)
    -Replace the Mishimoto radiator (done)
    -Replace the battery and keep the car on a tender when it’s not being driven regularly (done)
    -Fix an oil leak at the turbo drain line (done)
    -Replace the Vanos line which is also leaking (done)
    -Replace the (destroyed) driveshaft (done)
    -Replace the clutch pedal bushings (done)
    -Replace the (also destroyed) m3 diff with 315 lsd out of a 95 m3 (done)
    -Replace ALL the bushings with Condor Speed Shop kit
    -Replace my busted ass gauge pods with the rally road kit (done)
    -Get some tune revisions done by TRM
    -Install an oil cooler
    -Install Racing seats
    -Do some steering angle mods like the ebay knuckle adapter with e46 arms

    I will update the parts list below as things change, or are added.




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    Well I guess its time for me to start a build thread... So for a little background, the car in question is my 96 hellrot 328is which I have had for about 3 and a half years now (wow time flies) and I'm finally in a financial position to boost my m52

    Anyway you guys prob don't want my life story. My plan is to have a 450-500whp strictly pump gas 92 octane, reliable (ish) daily drivable setup. Here is summary of my parts list up to this point.

    Engine/Turbo

    -US m52b28 120k pulled out of my parts car
    -M/S50 intake manifold swap
    -Silicone "boost proof" ICV hose kit
    -Mishimoto silicone TB elbow
    -Turbonetics T3/T04E 60/57, journal bearing dry housing turbo
    -RallyRoad oil distribution fitting for oil pressure gauge sender
    -RallyRoad turbo oil supply line from vanos bolt
    --10 AN oil return to pan
    -WTB s50 or s52 cams, name your price!!
    -ARP 2000 headstuds
    -CES Cut ring gasket w/ copper spacer
    -N54 exhaust manifold studs with new m52 nuts
    -New rear main seal
    -All new gaskets
    -New timing chain tensioners
    -Safety wire oil pump nut
    -S52 oil filter housing, for future use of an oil cooler adapter cap
    -CX racing top mount manifold
    -Tial 38mm wastegate
    -Tial Q BOV 50mm
    -2.5inch downpipe

    Fuel/Ignition/Tuning
    -TRM OBDII tuning package
    -Blow through MAF
    -AEM wideband/AF guage
    -AEM boost guage
    -60lb injectors.
    -Walbro 255 fuel pump
    -Stock fuel lines
    -Stock FPR
    -New fuel filter
    -New Bremi ignition coils
    -NGK 4554 racing spark plugs - gapped to .024

    Cooling
    -Mishimoto radiator 40mm
    -New OEM thermostat
    -New OEM hoses
    -CX racing 3x21x12 (I think) intercooler
    -3" Charge piping

    Driveline/Chassis
    -AKG 75D motor mounts
    -UUC trans mounts with enforcer cups
    -FX stage 4 rigid 6 puck clutch (Sachs pressure plate)
    -FX chromoly flywheel
    -Brass clutch fork pivot from Ireland Engineering
    -New clutch slave and master
    -Condor Speed Shop clutch pedal bushings
    -Hawk HPS brake pads
    -Ebay drilled and slotted rotors
    -OEM subframe reinforcement plates
    -Bavarian Autosport Coilovers
    -Xbrace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters Stoch View Post
    You have us mistaken, we do give a s*it about your personal life. More about that.
    Lmao
    328i Sedan Twin s366's, 6.0LS, TH400, MS3 Ultimate
    9.20 at 150 on 22psi

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    No pics, no care. But good luck on the build


    96 328 Turbo
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    Heres some pictures. I will post more tomorrow morning.
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    Good luck on the build!

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    Good set of parts so far. If you are using the CX mani I would at least reinforce or redo the welds. Many people have had success with that mani while others have seen cracking. More of a risk as opposed to being a guinea pig.


    96 328 Turbo
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    Im actually running that Treadstone 255 pump. Its holding up so far just a little noisy.

    running the TRM obd2 tuning package as well. few revisions and is running pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw328m52 View Post
    Good set of parts so far. If you are using the CX mani I would at least reinforce or redo the welds. Many people have had success with that mani while others have seen cracking. More of a risk as opposed to being a guinea pig.
    Do you have any sources for people running them who had them crack? I would like to talk to more people who have run them. Its going to be temporary anyway. I will upgrade to a better quality t4 and bigger turbo for more power eventually. The rest of the build is going to be able to support a lot more power than what this turbo can put out.

    Quote Originally Posted by 96bmftw View Post
    Good luck on the build!
    Thanks man!

    Quote Originally Posted by mtg729 View Post
    Im actually running that Treadstone 255 pump. Its holding up so far just a little noisy. running the TRM obd2 tuning package as well. few revisions and is running pretty well.
    I have heard that the TRE pump is more reliable than a walbro, i guess i will find out. I have high hopes for the reliability of this setup. TRM sounded like the simplest and most plug and play way to go as far as tuning, granted its not the cheapest route.

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    Quick update cleaned the motor up a bit and tore her down. Head is off to the machine shop for clean, resurface, and pressure test. When I get back from vacation in a week, I will be hitting the block with a couple honing stones to get the sealing surface looking pretty.



    Opened up a few packages from rally road, tms, IE, and bimmerworld




    Modified intake air temp sensor that plugs directly into the m/s50 manifold and plugs into the obdII harness

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    So i got the head back, it had a few leaky valves, but those lapped in nicely and now passes a pressure test. When you guys have gotten tour heads back, have they been cleaner than this? I sort of feel like they did a half ass job with the cleaning. No big deal though it will run just the same.



    Got to work on the block. This is after 8 labor intensive passes with the rough side of the honing stones


    And then after 8 passes with the fine side. I flushed out all of the oil and coolant passages with brake clean, then turned the block upside down to remove the tape and rinse out any residue in the cylinders with brake clean. I then covered everything in a light coat of wd40 as i wont be assembling the engine until my cut ring gasket shows up on wednesday.




    Sorry for the crap iphone pic quality..

    Heres a picture of a cut away holset at work I thought you guys might find interesting.


    On a slightly unrelated note im shopping for a cheap one piece flywheel. I know alot of guys have ran f1 units and had success, is that company still around? If so a link to buy there flywheels? Otherwise i was thinking about buying an fx racing unit. Has anyone on here ran one? Thanks.

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    I believe the name of the company you're looking for is "F1 Stage 3". They sell in eBay. That is the name of the company. NOT the quality of the clutch and flywheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyfishvt View Post
    I believe the name of the company you're looking for is "F1 Stage 3". They sell in eBay. That is the name of the company. NOT the quality of the clutch and flywheel.
    I see. I'll probly run one of those with a clutchmasters sprung 4 puck.

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    Gripforce is the company on eBay that sells the F1, FX whatever it's called these days.

    I'm running the 240mm chromoly stage 3 with sprung hub, no real complaints

    1995 325i | OBD1 S52 | S50 cams | AA Turbo TD06 20g / 42lb / Porsche maf | .140 MLS | F1 s3 clutch | Ultimate SSK | AKG 75D subframe/diff bushings | 3.23 LSD | Powerflex LCAB/RTAB | e46 fca | Raceland coils | BMP rear arms | DEPO HID | AEM Failsafe | Aeromotive FPR | Walbo 255 | 3" Magnaflow muffler/cat/res | 17x8.5/9.5" 225/45 & 255/40

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjjjjj View Post
    Gripforce is the company on eBay that sells the F1, FX whatever it's called these days.

    I'm running the 240mm chromoly stage 3 with sprung hub, no real complaints
    Absolutely bast bang for the buck for a street driven sub 500 wheel E36.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butters Stoch View Post
    Absolutely bast bang for the buck for a street driven sub 500 wheel E36.
    I plan to flirt with 500whp and want to have some wiggle room as far as holding power for when I want more. Do you think a clutchmasters 6 puck would hold if im approaching 600wheel? Im a bit torn between 4 and 6 puck. I dont really want to buy another clutch.

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    The $450 Gripforce clutch+Ltw flywheel can hold 430wtq it says so I'd say 450-500whp is doable but close to its limits.

    The next best option jumps up to like $1500 unfortunately.

    1995 325i | OBD1 S52 | S50 cams | AA Turbo TD06 20g / 42lb / Porsche maf | .140 MLS | F1 s3 clutch | Ultimate SSK | AKG 75D subframe/diff bushings | 3.23 LSD | Powerflex LCAB/RTAB | e46 fca | Raceland coils | BMP rear arms | DEPO HID | AEM Failsafe | Aeromotive FPR | Walbo 255 | 3" Magnaflow muffler/cat/res | 17x8.5/9.5" 225/45 & 255/40

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjjjjj View Post
    The $450 Gripforce clutch+Ltw flywheel can hold 430wtq it says so I'd say 450-500whp is doable but close to its limits. The next best option jumps up to like $1500 unfortunately.
    I can run a clutchmasters 4 puck on the gripforce flywheel, can I not? And be set for well over 600whp? That would run less than $1100.
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    I'm no expert but I don't think you can readily mix different aftermarket clutches and flywheels unless maybe something with the UUC flywheel

    1995 325i | OBD1 S52 | S50 cams | AA Turbo TD06 20g / 42lb / Porsche maf | .140 MLS | F1 s3 clutch | Ultimate SSK | AKG 75D subframe/diff bushings | 3.23 LSD | Powerflex LCAB/RTAB | e46 fca | Raceland coils | BMP rear arms | DEPO HID | AEM Failsafe | Aeromotive FPR | Walbo 255 | 3" Magnaflow muffler/cat/res | 17x8.5/9.5" 225/45 & 255/40

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    I went to the cam grinder today with my cams after they said they could grind them for 145 a piece. Only to find find out that no, in fact they can't grind them because its a hollow camshaft. Although i believe that people have run welded and ground m/s5x cams, without issue. My point being, does anyone have s52 cams for sale? Didn't see any in the classifieds.
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    Cool Build update

    Cut ring + spacer installed.





    manifold and trubo mounted, used n54 studs with m52 nuts. Worked pretty well, the studs are short so the threads don't quite make it to the top of the nut. But certainly makes install a breeze.




    Getting some fab done on the charge piping



    -10 bung welded in for the return.

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    Looks good! I would've cleaned the top of those pistons but it isn't necessary. When you get a 3"dp on there I'm sure you'll notice a difference right away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjjjjj View Post
    I'm no expert but I don't think you can readily mix different aftermarket clutches and flywheels unless maybe something with the UUC flywheel
    I discovered you can in fact run any aftermarket clutch with their flywheels (according to the product description), given its the correct diameter. That being said, I cheaped out and got an fx stage 4 rigid 6 puck, and chromoly flywheel. Clutchmasters claimed their unit could hold 180% over stock torque, which didnt really impress me that much. Though I'm sure it would handle a fair bit more.

    I did a search to try and get an idea of what spark plugs to run but I came up empty handed. I know i have seen something while lurking in FI, just can't seem to find it. Any info as far as part #, heat range, and gap would be appreciated!

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    Build looks great! Are you going to retain ac with your setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by E36 328is View Post
    Build looks great! Are you going to retain ac with your setup?
    Thanks! No I'm not going to run ac. My compressor as well as the one from my parts car are both toast. At some point i may buy a new one and fix the system, but it's not very high on my priority list. it's usually cold where i live, and eventually this will be a dedicated stripped out track car anyhow.
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