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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubergine View Post
    Hey jp5Touring,

    I read through the thread but I can't tell if your Japan Red touring is a manual or not. I just helped me mother pickup a Japan Red 01 525iT with a 5 speed and I am having a hard time getting a count on how many are in the US.
    Mine's a auto ZF steptronic. I did the paddle shift off a e46 M3. Wow great find, you'll have to post up some pic's.
    I know of mine,Dannys someone from Guam I think maybe Puerto Rico had one. He toasted his motor and planned S62 conversion.
    Another member in Chicago "Speedy6" IIRC had one with a satin clear coat finish done to it.
    Thats about all I know of. I would think a couple more for sure but no one has said anything about seeing one.

    Im driving mine to The Vintage since I'm still looking for a roundie 2002. Your going to that,right ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubergine View Post
    Hey jp5Touring,

    I read through the thread but I can't tell if your Japan Red touring is a manual or not. I just helped me mother pickup a Japan Red 01 525iT with a 5 speed and I am having a hard time getting a count on how many are in the US.
    I've been looking over production #s compiled by other forum members /and myself / I cant take credit for all the #s but can confirm much is accurate from my own research, and have found the red as many already know is one of the rarest colors for all Tourings made. Just using est #s by actual known production #s high est would be 1360ish at 10% taking in consideration if BMW made red ones of the total production run of all cars @ 13,601ish. Highly unlikely its that high because of popular colors like silver/black being made in larger quantities. The model year of 2003 182 US production cars, no red and 75 of those are silver est of 60%. No red produced in 2002, and 2003, knock off another large run of both the 540iT, the 525iT and the 528iT (3514 total cars). Even if you take the 10% est only 1360ish is a low number, but know that is a high figure est, but still, a low production run total.

    Actually using 5% is more realistic for getting closer to actual figures. Eliminating the 2002, 2003, that leaves 10085 total produced. Known production runs total all years, all iT touring @10%is 13601ish. 10% est leaving 1360ish, then take into account no 2002, 2003, red cars and one can see how quickly the #s drop. 5% is a good est @ 500ish red cars produced, It's not an exact figure but honestly feel its pretty close + or -. Bottom line its a very scarce color, IM sure I can get closer to actual #s, there were not many made. Top choice IMO, from research on my own and using others figures I feel 500ish is close, but also feel the 5% may be too high of an an est because of color runs, black silver, honestly feel 2-3% is a better est or 272ish+ to 350ish cars maybe in red. IMO don't want to jump the gun to quickly gut feeling because of all my research its probably closer to 1%, all data points in that direction. Will update as I get more information.

    Taking into consideration of Danny`s 540iT we all drool over I've been looking for one for years and NEVER have seen one for sale. It got me thinking of how rare is that color for a 540iT years ago, so I hunted literally daily. Knowing there are none produced in 2002, 2003, leaving a production run of just three years or 1744ish (with/Canadian cars) total made. 10% est, (high) = 175ish in red, again silver/black higher quantities, think 5% is a better figure = 87 cars, and again think that is high, closer to 1% realistic = 17 cars (EST) is why those of us who want one cant find a 540iT Japonrot Touring...

    Summary of E39 Wagon Sales in U.S.

    E39 BMW 540iT
    1999: 879
    2000: 447
    2001: 406
    2002: 370
    2003: 261
    5-year total for 540iT: 2,363

    E39 BMW 528iT
    1999: 4,068
    2000: 1,712
    2001: -0-
    2002: -0-
    2003: -0-
    5-year total for 528iT: 5,780

    E39 BMW 525iT
    1999: -0-
    2000: 359
    2001: 2,216
    2002: 1,696
    2003: 1,187
    5-year total for 525iT: 5,458

    5-year total for all E39 Wagons: 13,601
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    WOW, good information nice work. I wonder if we email BMW archives and see if they would give us any kind of numbers.
    They will give you build dates,export dates and original color of classic older 2002's.
    DennisCooper from Europe says one of the reasons their are so few red touring's is because red was used as a hwy safety vehicle color.
    Police would use red vehicle's to help stranded or broke down people. So it just wasn't popular.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jp5Touring View Post
    Maybe, will have to see whats out there. I'm not a fan of loud exhaust with a auto trans and I'm still planing on doing a S62 M5 swap.
    Just wanting to find a donor car that isn't 1800 miles away. I plan on selling my alpine white winter beater touring in a month to make some room.
    I hear ya. Maybe just some dual tips to fill in the diffuser? Hopefully mine will be done from the painters in a day or so. I want to get it to a custom shop afterwards to do a dual exhaust and a muffler delete.
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    Yeah, Japan Red is a delightfully rare color on an E39 Touring, especially on a 540it. Every other E39 touring in Japan Red is a 525it, never seen another 540it in that color scheme.
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    Rarer than you think...I love #s, rare colors, low production runs, one of a kind cars, E39 Wagons, IM pretty sure your 540iT Japanrot Touring is one of less than 25, and think that is honestly too high. IM getting closer to actual #s difficult as I want confirmation of exact figures and everything is pointing you have a very, very rare color combo for a 540iT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp5Touring View Post
    Thank You Sir.......

    Hey are you going to Mid Ohio in May ? IMSA Weathertech is there. Thinking I might go and see them.
    you're welcome !! can't wait to see the interior swap and your headlight-fun-day project

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    hey JP...since you are coding those tails....what would you need to do to add the euro rear fogs ??? switch for the dashboard, add'l bulbs in proper spots, and coding ?? just tossing stuff out there to see what sticks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by adm750 View Post
    hey JP...since you are coding those tails....what would you need to do to add the euro rear fogs ??? switch for the dashboard, add'l bulbs in proper spots, and coding ?? just tossing stuff out there to see what sticks...
    Not a bad idea actually. To bad I'm clueless when it comes to coding BMW's. I'll be glad if I don't brick the thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jp5Touring View Post
    Mine's a auto ZF steptronic. I did the paddle shift off a e46 M3. Wow great find, you'll have to post up some pic's.
    I know of mine,Dannys someone from Guam I think maybe Puerto Rico had one. He toasted his motor and planned S62 conversion.
    Another member in Chicago "Speedy6" IIRC had one with a satin clear coat finish done to it.
    Thats about all I know of. I would think a couple more for sure but no one has said anything about seeing one.

    Im driving mine to The Vintage since I'm still looking for a roundie 2002. Your going to that,right ?
    Cool! I was curious and once I gave the car a good going over I will post up some pics. It is a really clean base to start. :-)

    Yes, I am going but it'll be in my friend's E28 535. We decided it would be most fun to take one car.

    Quote Originally Posted by SCRSUVS View Post
    I've been looking over production #s compiled by other forum members /and myself / I cant take credit for all the #s but can confirm much is accurate from my own research, and have found the red as many already know is one of the rarest colors for all Tourings made. Just using est #s by actual known production #s high est would be 1360ish at 10% taking in consideration if BMW made red ones of the total production run of all cars @ 13,601ish. Highly unlikely its that high because of popular colors like silver/black being made in larger quantities. The model year of 2003 182 US production cars, no red and 75 of those are silver est of 60%. No red produced in 2002, and 2003, knock off another large run of both the 540iT, the 525iT and the 528iT (3514 total cars). Even if you take the 10% est only 1360ish is a low number, but know that is a high figure est, but still, a low production run total.

    Actually using 5% is more realistic for getting closer to actual figures. Eliminating the 2002, 2003, that leaves 10085 total produced. Known production runs total all years, all iT touring @10%is 13601ish. 10% est leaving 1360ish, then take into account no 2002, 2003, red cars and one can see how quickly the #s drop. 5% is a good est @ 500ish red cars produced, It's not an exact figure but honestly feel its pretty close + or -. Bottom line its a very scarce color, IM sure I can get closer to actual #s, there were not many made. Top choice IMO, from research on my own and using others figures I feel 500ish is close, but also feel the 5% may be too high of an an est because of color runs, black silver, honestly feel 2-3% is a better est or 272ish+ to 350ish cars maybe in red. IMO don't want to jump the gun to quickly gut feeling because of all my research its probably closer to 1%, all data points in that direction. Will update as I get more information.

    Taking into consideration of Danny`s 540iT we all drool over I've been looking for one for years and NEVER have seen one for sale. It got me thinking of how rare is that color for a 540iT years ago, so I hunted literally daily. Knowing there are none produced in 2002, 2003, leaving a production run of just three years or 1744ish (with/Canadian cars) total made. 10% est, (high) = 175ish in red, again silver/black higher quantities, think 5% is a better figure = 87 cars, and again think that is high, closer to 1% realistic = 17 cars (EST) is why those of us who want one cant find a 540iT Japonrot Touring...

    Summary of E39 Wagon Sales in U.S.

    E39 BMW 540iT
    1999: 879
    2000: 447
    2001: 406
    2002: 370
    2003: 261
    5-year total for 540iT: 2,363

    E39 BMW 528iT
    1999: 4,068
    2000: 1,712
    2001: -0-
    2002: -0-
    2003: -0-
    5-year total for 528iT: 5,780

    E39 BMW 525iT
    1999: -0-
    2000: 359
    2001: 2,216
    2002: 1,696
    2003: 1,187
    5-year total for 525iT: 5,458

    5-year total for all E39 Wagons: 13,601
    Very interesting! Narrowing the numbers down for US imported and manual would really take that down. Thanks for the info!

    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    Yeah, Japan Red is a delightfully rare color on an E39 Touring, especially on a 540it. Every other E39 touring in Japan Red is a 525it, never seen another 540it in that color scheme.
    I have only seen the one 540iAT here but no others. Hmmmm....
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    Quote Originally Posted by adm750 View Post
    hey JP...since you are coding those tails....what would you need to do to add the euro rear fogs ??? switch for the dashboard, add'l bulbs in proper spots, and coding ?? just tossing stuff out there to see what sticks...
    I wash it was that easy. IIRC theres no harness so you have to add the wiring from the light module and wire upthe switch. Not as easy as the E90s

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    This 540iT Japan Red just sold, looked very clean, and the price was dirt cheap. No indication what if anything has been done over the years is the down side, (168K) but sure looks good for the price. The seller had no idea how rare this color is but new buyer probably did? Maybe, maybe not. Not sure if all the pics will still show in ad I should have saved all of the interior pictures as well, car looked very good overall. No sport pkg, w/tan interior. Couldn't believe when I saw it on line, literally was stunned, called first thing this morning after staying up all night planning on making it mine, no questions asked, just going to buy it. Kept looking the pictures over and over all night, a Unicorn staring me straight in the face.

    Was excited especially after all the research I have done on how rare this color actually is. One of three actually have seen for confirmation of being produced, the others are spectulation cars and have not been able to confirm actual #s but it is few! Have narrowed it down to probably ten cars...missing this one bummed me out, especially being so close to owning it. Hope the new owner is a forum member and will be able to track its new history with us, its a keeper.





    new red red.jpgred side.jpgNew red 540i.jpgred 540i motor.jpgred 540i side view.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCRSUVS View Post
    This 540iT Japan Red just sold, looked very clean, and the price was dirt cheap. No indication what if anything has been done over the years is the down side, but sure looks good for the price. The seller had no idea how rare this color is but new buyer probably did. Not sure if all the pics will still show in ad I should have saved interior pictures as well, car looked very good overall. No sport pkg, w/tan interior. Couldn't believe when I saw it on line, literally was stunned, called first thing this morning after staying up all night planning on making it mine, no questions asked, just going to buy it. Kept looking the pictures over and over all night, a Unicorn staring me straight in the face.

    Was excited especially after all the research I have done on how rare this color actually is. Have narrowed it down to probably ten cars...missing this one bummed me out, especially being so close to owning it. Hope the new owner is a forum member and will be able to track its new history with us, its a keeper.

    Used 2002 BMW 5 Series For Sale

    new red red.jpgred side.jpgNew red 540i.jpgred 540i motor.jpgred 540i side view.jpg
    That’s really cool! Looks like a facelift too, what year? Bummer it doesn’t have the sport package, but that’s pretty easy to fix, haha. I hope the new owner posts here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    That’s really cool! Looks like a facelift too, what year? Bummer it doesn’t have the sport package, but that’s pretty easy to fix, haha. I hope the new owner posts here.
    Figured this one would get your attention, 2002, shocked when I first saw it, kept checking to make sure it was a real offering, IM am so bummed, keeping fingers crossed the sale falls apart IM top of the list if he dosent take it. California buyer put a deposit, supposed to pick up this Thur...friggin rarer than hens teeth...so close to actually buying it...

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    SCRSUVS, ha what a great find sorry you missed it.I thought it was the one Aubergene found for his Mother. So that make's seven that I know of. Six in the states and one in Guam. Looks like a solid start to what could be a very nice touring.


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    Makes me wonder how much my 540it would fetch on BaT lol... high mileage but 1 of 7 rare color. Not that I'd ever sell it, I enjoy the rarity of it a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp5Touring View Post
    SCRSUVS, ha what a great find sorry you missed it.I thought it was the one Aubergene found for his Mother. So that make's seven that I know of. Six in the states and one in Guam. Looks like a solid start to what could be a very nice touring.
    Jp5, are all of those you know of the 540iTs, not the 525, or 528s? Thing that puzzled me this one just sold is a 2002 and in all of my research points to no red cars made in 2002, and 2003. Frustrating as I like actual #s, no red cars made those years confused me. 100% positive none in 2003, now have to double check the 2002 model year to make sure my #s are accurate. Getting accurate #s has been a real challenge, still its rare in Japan Red. My research continues on the one that got away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    Makes me wonder how much my 540it would fetch on BaT lol... high mileage but 1 of 7 rare color. Not that I'd ever sell it, I enjoy the rarity of it a lot.
    That 2001 Topaz Blue (not as rare as red, but surprisingly close) in BaT auction sold for $14500 (no fee inc in that #) a few days ago, lower miles, so guesstimating probably $14500 - $16500 with BaT letting buyers know difficult to find an authentic Japan Red car. Honestly IMO think the red adds $$$ valve and at today's $#s feel its pretty close to what a sale could be expected. To buyers knowing they will probably not find another could drive the price a bit higher. Serious doubt much if any less, people are getting use to higher mileage cars in excellent condition.


    Sold $14500
    Blue 540i sold 14500.jpg Break down of 2003 M Sport 540iT colors...Canadian cars not inc...


    75 Titanium Silver
    39 Gray
    36 Black

    40 Sterling Gray
    24 Black
    15 Gray
    1 Beige

    23 Black Sapphire
    10 Beige
    10 Black
    3 Gray

    17 Black 2
    10 Black
    4 Gray
    3 Beige

    15 Alpine White
    11 Beige
    2 Gray
    2 Black

    8 Slate Green
    5 Gray
    2 Beige
    1 Black

    4 Topaz Blue
    2 Black
    1 Gray
    1 Beige
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCRSUVS View Post
    Jp5, are all of those you know of the 540iTs, not the 525, or 528s? Thing that puzzled me this one just sold is a 2002 and in all of my research points to no red cars made in 2002, and 2003. Frustrating as I like actual #s, no red cars made those years confused me. 100% positive none in 2003, now have to double check the 2002 model year to make sure my #s are accurate. Getting accurate #s has been a real challenge, still its rare in Japan Red. My research continues on the one that got away...
    The one we picked up is a 525iT. I think 540iATs in Japan Red are SUPER rare!
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    Man that looks good... makes me want to swap my interior already. I have all the parts, just been busy with other cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenVA View Post
    Looking good!
    Thanks,still much to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannyzabolotny View Post
    Man that looks good... makes me want to swap my interior already. I have all the parts, just been busy with other cars.
    Thanks, I was amazed at how much it changed the look of the car. It really updates the look I think. Will be end of next week to try and finish it.
    The tan interior is really bright in the alpine white car,like really bright.


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