E39 530i Auto to Manual transmission swap DME questions

[easymoney]

'Glad it's working great for you. Did you ever use Tomas' service at all?����

[henryki]

'Glad it's working great for you. Did you ever use Tomas' service at all?����

no I didn't, I ended up using autologic but I'm thinking about talking to him to maybe see if has any insight on the matter.

[Stupid Kid]

Here is what I have done. I have a US 530i with a build date of 2001:
Flashed my new zcs to EWS and DSC with ncs
Recoded my dme with the latest manual zusb with winfkp
Changed the park/neutral to nicht_activ in my ews to bypass the clutch switch.

All you have to do is:
change your job to CODIERDATEN_LESEN, read ews,
open your fsw_psw.trc in notepad
change
park/neutral
From:
activ
To:
nicht_activ

then copy whats in fsw_psw.trc to fsw_psw.man
and then SG_CODIEREN



I haven't done any wiring other than unpluging the auto trans computer. I don't have a clutch switch plugged in.



Thank you so much geargrinder for your write up, and everyone else for posting info. there is no way I would have gotten this far without ya'll.

If you're thinking about doing this: DO IT

[geargrinder]

Confused - saw a post update that looked like you didnt have a start but now you did? Did you just need to re-sync the EWS w the DME? Sounded like probably that was case to me...

[Stupid Kid]

Confused - saw a post update that looked like you didnt have a start but now you did? Did you just need to re-sync the EWS w the DME? Sounded like probably that was case to me...

Bad dme flash actually, not sure why. I got a error 100 self check failed when I checked the codes on the dme so I just flashed it again.

[henryki]

Geargrinder, you seem to be the manual swap God for E39's. Did you leave your auto trans computer installed? I'm trying to clean up my engine bay and get rid of the auto trans harness, just have it tucked under the passenger cabin air filter for now.
Thanks!

[geargrinder]

Absolutely not. With the 530 it's particularly important to pull the EGS but all cars get confused if they see modules that aren't supposed to be there. Def the tranny computer gets pulled ASAP. I still have the connectors in my eBox but all old connectors are lashed up out of the way or if connectors were cut off for various reasons they are taped or heat shrunk over to seal the ends.

[henryki]

Absolutely not. With the 530 it's particularly important to pull the EGS but all cars get confused if they see modules that aren't supposed to be there. Def the tranny computer gets pulled ASAP. I still have the connectors in my eBox but all old connectors are lashed up out of the way or if connectors were cut off for various reasons they are taped or heat shrunk over to seal the ends.

Ok thanks for the heads up I'll do that asap.

Another question for you, not swap related, my DSC light just came on and stays on, what could this mean? possibly low brake fluid?

[Walopower]

Right - only for the ms42/43 however. The Bosch ME7.2 and MSS54 needs to be flashed

How about M57 Bosch DDE 4.0?

[TerraPhantm]

How about M57 Bosch DDE 4.0?

Based on RealOEM it doesn't look like a reflash is necessary, but I don't know for sure. I never worked on a diesel

[NNY528I]

I've gotten my car to run but for some reason the ews just will not take the update zcs info in ncs. The komb took it fine thinks it's a manual but no go for the ews. Haven't gotten to the flash yet. Any idea why this might be happening?

[geargrinder]

As long as it's running the ZCS being right in the EWS isn't essential - you can hand-code the only values in their that need fixing if you need to - ie. turn off Park detection (which I am guessing you've hot wired). Not sure why it doesn't write if the IKE worked fine, but here's an old thread where a guy had same problem...

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...cessful-in-IKE

[NNY528I]

I actually just went in and turned off the park neutral switch in the parameters.

Now I just need to figure out how to flash the ecu.

[geargrinder]

Yep that works too, although most guys for some reason get a boner out of hamfisting the hotwire, dunno why. Guess it makes em feel like they are beating The Matrix or something.

I6 theoretically you don't have to AFAIK. As long as the EGS (tranny computer) is unplugged it will not see it and decide it wants to act in manual mode. Although actually your car is old...maybe those do need a flash... dunno. At any rate a WinKFP flash should be fairly easy as long as you hit up RealOEM ETK to get the programming assembly number and pop that in. Obv your BMW Software toosl are all working pretty well aside from that one issue so I assume your WinKFP should work properly.

[NNY528I]

Fwiw when I plug my zcs into zeko, there were no automatic option codes the only thing I could find to change was the 528ia to 528i in the type area. When I coded it changed the standard key and the version key. But for whatever reason the ews took the standard key but would not take the version key.

[StRaNgEdAyS]

I'm almost done making a 6 speed manual conversion to my 535i
I'm about to do the DME flash today. I've done the installation, wiring and ZCS coding already. Hence my presence in this thread, I'm reading up on wha I have to do before I plug it all in
I'm using WINKFP to recode the DME.

[pweber84]

Guys, can I use NCSEXPERT to change ZCS in e39 converted to manual? I have DSC error.

[pweber84]

guys, can I use NCEXPERT to code E39 with manual swapped? I have DSC lit.

[geargrinder]

Yes but who knows if that's why your DSC is lit?

[Mark185]

This is a very informative thread. Thanks to all who contributed over the years. I have a slightly different approach and question. I have a complete running 2003 530i 5 speed manual donor car with body damage and am looking at a 2000 528i Touring with an automatic that needs some repairs. Is this swap feasible and easier of I just swap complete drivetrain, gauge cluster, and DME from the manual car? Are there any other electronic modules I need to swap over such as EWS, ABS, etc? I assume the differential will be easy to swap. I have no clue about driveshaft compatibility between the sedan and the wagon.

[blackknight530i]

This is a very informative thread. Thanks to all who contributed over the years. I have a slightly different approach and question. I have a complete running 2003 530i 5 speed manual donor car with body damage and am looking at a 2000 528i Touring with an automatic that needs some repairs. Is this swap feasible and easier of I just swap complete drivetrain, gauge cluster, and DME from the manual car? Are there any other electronic modules I need to swap over such as EWS, ABS, etc? I assume the differential will be easy to swap. I have no clue about driveshaft compatibility between the sedan and the wagon.

Cluster won't swap without swapping the body harness as the 2003 has a high cluster and the 2000 likely has a low.

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[effduration]

I am in the middle of a swap. I think I would just swap trans, pedals, differential, shifter form your '03 to '00 and figure out the driveshaft. All the driveshaft info is here somewhere. There are a couple of manual swap threads in the e39 touring sub-section of this forum that would be quite helpful.

I would keep/use the touring's DME, and cluster. there is only one wire you have to make/source to get the reverse lights to work.

You should certainly keep the 3.0 liter engine of the donor car, but I would not throw it in to the '00 touring unless you absolutely have to. There are quite a few extra steps to use the 3.0 liter engine in the 2000 touring, mostly around the intake, and throttle assembly. But even if you do try to use the 3.0 liter in the touring, you should use the touring's DME and reflash it to the 3.0 liter tune.

[pimpim]

i have making manual swap in e39 520i 2003. Now only problem is error with dsc, " 23 Incorrect Coding - ABS/ASC module is faulty". i was using ncs expert for coding. One time i was coding car and current was under 10v can this cause the problem? When i watch live data for inpa from dsc module everything works. Any ideas what can cause this problem. Its possible that my zsc codings are still wrong, because i haven't take picture from orginal numbers before coding. Codings in car now. GM: 5f110000z, SA: 2000088404040405441, VN:1010103882j.

[effduration]

i have making manual swap in e39 520i 2003. Now only problem is error with dsc, " 23 Incorrect Coding - ABS/ASC module is faulty". i was using ncs expert for coding. One time i was coding car and current was under 10v can this cause the problem? When i watch live data for inpa from dsc module everything works. Any ideas what can cause this problem. Its possible that my zsc codings are still wrong, because i haven't take picture from orginal numbers before coding. Codings in car now. GM: 5f110000z, SA: 2000088404040405441, VN:1010103882j.

If you have only a DSC error after a manual swap, I think you are in pretty good shape. Was there a DSC error before you switched from auto to manual?

How did you code the vehicle with NCS Expert - what exactly did you do?

In my case (manual swap on '03 530i (US model) I simple edited ONLY the GM portion of the ZSC (changing the 3rd digit from 6 to a 5 to make it a manual).
I then wrote the new ZCS to one module in NCS Expert - EWS. Then I confirmed it took, then read the ZCS from NCS Expert and coded the whole car - all the modules in NCS Expert.

your GM looks different, probably because it is a Euro-model 520i. It may be correct as is.

You should look in your ABS module in NCS Expert and see that the VIN and ZCS is consistent with all the other modules.

[effduration]

Here is a thread for reference. It sounds like you have it all pretty close, But in the attached link, the poster noted that he found what the GM value for the manual version SHOULD be by looking at the DATEN files.

You should also make sure your auto trans module EGS is completely unplugged.

https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...y-6-speed-swap