2003 Ferrari Red M3 3.5L wagon // 2011 Montego Blue tri-turbo 335d wagon
2012 Deep Sea Blue X5d // 2003 Orient Blue 330i wagon
In progress/For Sale: 2003 Alpine White M3/ZHP wagon // 2003 Japan Red M3/ZHP wagon
DIS should be able to if he has version 44 (nothing newer), but it may not have the latest 540 binaries. If he has INPA, he should have WinKFP, which should also be able to flash to stock (but there will probably be some initial setup required if he never used it).
Are you okay with losing your Dinan software though?
2003 Ferrari Red M3 3.5L wagon // 2011 Montego Blue tri-turbo 335d wagon
2012 Deep Sea Blue X5d // 2003 Orient Blue 330i wagon
In progress/For Sale: 2003 Alpine White M3/ZHP wagon // 2003 Japan Red M3/ZHP wagon
Okay, that's convenient then - hopefully you'll be able to test it.
Also I was digging some more, and it turns out that the 540i tourings got their own data section for some reason (still same program version as the ones with the oil temp)
If I'm looking at it right, then 7533619 would be the version with the oil temps, and 7539338 would be the version without. Speed limiter is lower than the sport sedans, I'm not sure if there are any other differences.
Yeah, early E39s were more like early E36s. For example, early E39s used a dedicated tach signal versus a CAN message. Hell the MID still looks like something straight out of an E36. Anyhow, I'm happy to check what the appropriate coefficients are for oil temp from the DME. Probably not gonna upgrade the software yet (although I guess I should check to see what Dinan's policy is on upgrading / restoring these things is).
I was doing some digging around and it looks like they all switched to doing things over CAN when they switched to the VANOS motors. So in theory the software shouldn't pose a problem for anyone (and if it does, just flash back to the old version I guess).
I would, but adding new subroutines to existing binaries isn't the easiest venture. I can't really even think of doing that until I disassemble and comprehend the entire MS43 binary, and that takes time.
Also, while I've identified the sub-routines that control the oil temp lights, there are a couple things I don't understand. For example, on MSS5x and ME7.2, there are two routines that do almost the same thing, and I don't really understand why there needs to be two routines.
Routines are attached to this post if you feel like taking a look (click for full size)
ME7.2
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MSS5x
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I admit to being quite confused as to what you are talking about when it comes to details and am not sure if I should be hopeful or discouraged
2003 Ferrari Red M3 3.5L wagon // 2011 Montego Blue tri-turbo 335d wagon
2012 Deep Sea Blue X5d // 2003 Orient Blue 330i wagon
In progress/For Sale: 2003 Alpine White M3/ZHP wagon // 2003 Japan Red M3/ZHP wagon
Well - it definitely looks possible to enable those lights, and it doesn't look like you'd have to do anything particularly custom. I just need someone who has a 4.6 or M5 cluster and is comfortable with flashing their DMEs.
I don't need anyone to confirm the temperature formulas or anything - I'm 99.9% sure I've got those right. I just need someone to flash one of the software numbers I've listed and see if the lights turn on. If they do, we can worry about customizing the actual temperatures after that.
Looks like there are some other cool things that can be done, like enabling the "convenience start" feature on manual 540s
Last edited by TerraPhantm; 01-24-2015 at 12:32 AM.
This is one time I wish I had a M62TU to help you with. I threw mine out when I bought my e38 and swapped the S62 right away. I've never even driven the M62TU more than about a quarter mile and it was with bad guides, so it was very slow. Anyways, I wish I could help you out with this so we can move forward and get it working for anyone that wants them after swapping the cluster. Theoretically, If we could get these subroutines working in the MS43, it could help out e46 guys that want the M3 cluster with working temp lights.
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
What about a test bench? There's a DME (P/N 12-14-7-508-698) on eBay for fairly cheap. I'm assuming it's an M62TU DME, but it looks like it's only listed for 540/740s up to 2000. I'd be happy to bid on it and see about screwing around with this outside the car. Should just be a matter of powering it up and looking for the right CAN messages, yeah?
Terra, get your butt down here to NC and let's do this on my car! I don't have the right tools to do all the programming but I can supply the hardware and cluster.
2003 Ferrari Red M3 3.5L wagon // 2011 Montego Blue tri-turbo 335d wagon
2012 Deep Sea Blue X5d // 2003 Orient Blue 330i wagon
In progress/For Sale: 2003 Alpine White M3/ZHP wagon // 2003 Japan Red M3/ZHP wagon
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
2003 Ferrari Red M3 3.5L wagon // 2011 Montego Blue tri-turbo 335d wagon
2012 Deep Sea Blue X5d // 2003 Orient Blue 330i wagon
In progress/For Sale: 2003 Alpine White M3/ZHP wagon // 2003 Japan Red M3/ZHP wagon
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
Free this weekend, busy next, then who knows.
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Plus I'm not keen on driving over there and not being able to get back if we brick something LOL
2003 Ferrari Red M3 3.5L wagon // 2011 Montego Blue tri-turbo 335d wagon
2012 Deep Sea Blue X5d // 2003 Orient Blue 330i wagon
In progress/For Sale: 2003 Alpine White M3/ZHP wagon // 2003 Japan Red M3/ZHP wagon
What's a good place to tap into the CAN bus on the E39?
CAN bus also goes to the cluster if that's easier.
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I know what you mean about bricking and not being able to drive back, but I've done this a few times and it's nearly impossible to brick these using the BMW software. I can always go back to the original software without issue.
Turns out, I'm busy this weekend, and the weekend after next, but free next Saturday. If you can find someone more local to help you out, do that, unless you can wait a few weekends.
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
I can wait, most likely, but I may be able to make Saturday work also. Have to see how it goes.
Do you think while we are testing all this that we could also turn servotronic on in the GM so I can use my new M5 box a bit more easily at low speeds?
When I leave, I'd like to have the factory flash in the DME so I'm all set for the VF hex flash. Is that do-able?
Lastly, I do want to keep my Dinan transmission software. Love that stuff. Only want to flash the DME itself. Can we avoid touching the trans when doing this? I admit and apologize for my current lack of understanding of all the different modules and how they inter-relate but I do want to learn more about it.
Thanks for your offer to help. I do have a friend locally who has the software and cables but neither of us yet knows how to use it and I'm a bit skeered to experiment on a car I need working. Still researching and reading about how it all works.
Last edited by Redshift; 01-24-2015 at 10:12 PM.
2003 Ferrari Red M3 3.5L wagon // 2011 Montego Blue tri-turbo 335d wagon
2012 Deep Sea Blue X5d // 2003 Orient Blue 330i wagon
In progress/For Sale: 2003 Alpine White M3/ZHP wagon // 2003 Japan Red M3/ZHP wagon
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
Damn Blacknight !! Will you be my friend !!
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
sorry, late to the party. i am in Durham, just down the road from RedShift.
i have just begun playing around with programing, so i would not be much help besides being able to supply a working(at least it has worked for all i have needed to do) computer and interface.
if you all work on a time to meet, do you mind if i come a long to watch and learn?
G~
E61 Mods: Trailer Hitch/wiring, Cargo cover roller fix, Backup camera, H&R springs, ER charge Pipe, Mishimoto catch can, boost gauge, intake scoop, JB+, CSR Rear Spoiler, Full SAT retrofit.
Coded: legal disclaimer removal in iDrive, auto folding mirrors on lock, turn signals in HUD, fan speed indicator on when in auto, Doors unlock when key removed
E39 Mods: Euro dash conversion, Dinan exhaust, Dinan suspension with Camber kit, 2.81 differential, flappy paddle with double pull M mode activation/deactivation, backup camera, Video playback on Nav computer (iPod Video for video storage and playback), stereo video playback through DSP, MKIV computer, RPA Tire Pressure retrofit, Intravee II iPod integration, Euro armrest, HUD, Parrot BT, voice recognition module, trailer hitch/wiring, rear mounted 10" subwoofer with amplifier, lighted interior door handles, Evans coolant.
-Paul
2003 "M5" - Full M5 conversion, AMG C63S 6 piston front calipers, Porsche Panamera 4 piston rear calipers, GC Coilovers, Eibach ARBs, UUC Evo3/DSSR, Borla Exhaust w/Muffler Delete, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto, Bi-Xenons, e38 Style 37 M-Pars, e60 Hubs 530i 6-speed swap build thread2005 Range Rover 4.6is (M62TU Powered) - 4.6is Engine Swap from X5, BMW NBT with Carplay/Android Auto
2006 Porsche Cayman S - Soul Performance Competition Headers and Exhaust, H&R Coilovers, 718 Boxster Spyder wheels, Rennline 35mm rear spacers
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